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I'm waiting to see the output. There should be some amazing new end-user-facing software, or features in existing software, or reduced amounts of bugs in softw

I'm waiting to see the output. There should be some amazing new end-user-facing software, or features in existing software, or reduced amounts of bugs in software, any day now...?

Lionga 1y ago
I see so many on HN say they got 10 times more productive but nobody ever has anything to show.
- WalterSear 1y ago
  I don't think that my product demos will tell you much about how effective AI has been, but here: https://youtube.com/@groove-tronic https://youtube.com/@groove-tronic Now you can't say nobody has anything to show. This does real-time DSP (time stretching, effects, analog emulation), in a language I didn't know when I started (C++), that I started a couple of months ago. I could not have created this without AI, cannot make progress without AI. When I use up my Pro account limits, I'm done for the day - I'm too slow without it for continuing to make sense.
  - weikju 1y ago
    > I could not have created this without AI, cannot make progress without AI. When I use up my Pro account limits, I'm done for the day - I'm too slow without it for continuing to make sense. And this is why untold billions are sunk into AI. Creates a dependency on their services and removes agency from end users. Edit: yes I’m aware it adds agency in the sense that some people can do things they couldn’t do before… as long as that’s permitted/surveilles, which is where the agency is lost.
    - WalterSear 1y ago
      Same as github, then. Same as photoshop. Same as any SAAS. I've don't see how I've lost agency. It's not like it's made me a worse coder: getting so much faster with AI hasn't made me slower without it.
      - weikju 1y ago
        > hasn't made me slower without it > > cannot make progress without AI. When I use up my Pro account limits, I'm done for the day Aside from the contradictory statements, I did address your points in my edit. I get the tradeoff. As long as whatever you do is in line with the providers of the services, and as long as you're ok with the surveillance, then sure... It's a tradeoff that MUST be considered and be aware of..
      - weikju 1y ago
        > Same as github, then. Same as photoshop. Same as any SAAS. You can get stuff done without these.
    - fragmede 1y ago
      Do cars remove agency from drivers? If I'm on a road trip, and 200 miles into it, 100 miles from my destination, it breaks down, should I start walking, or find another motorized vehicle to complete my journey? Local models exist.
- Balinares 1y ago
  I can readily believe that undiscriminating enthusiasts are getting 10x as much code out. Why that might not translate to an increase in software quality and feature count is left as an exercise to the weary senior reader.
  - WalterSear 1y ago
    I've been coding for 25+ years. My code has never been cleaner. With AI, refactoring is cheap and safe.
xnx 1y ago
This has clearly already happened in image creation and editing.
- skydhash 1y ago
  Point us then to the GIMP, Krita, or ImageMagick of AI.
  - xnx 1y ago
    I'm not sure I understand the request. https://github.com/Acly/krita-ai-diffusion https://github.com/Acly/krita-ai-diffusion ?
- majormajor 1y ago
  No, there are models that do amazing work on images, but that's not the same as massive increases in coding into non-model-driven features in image creation or editing.
  - xnx 1y ago
    > or features in existing software Ah, I misunderstood. I guess I don't care much if AI was used to create the code that enabled a revolutionary feature vs. AI being the revolutionary feature.
    - majormajor 1y ago
      I don't in terms of tools I use. But I do in terms of "is it a industry-changing advance in software development, the profession" which is what this thread seemed to be about.
WalterSear 1y ago
My beta starts end of October, if you are interested. https://youtube.com/@groove-tronic https://youtube.com/@groove-tronic I'm disabled (which is why I've been forced into starting my own venture) and can only work a few hours a day, but I'm still more productive than I have been in 25 years, even when I had a team of engineers and a designer working for me. The code is also cleaner - because refactoring is cheap now. And I'm working in a language (C++) that I had barely touched when I started.
- yahoozoo 1y ago
  Very cool. Love the Amen break.
- majormajor 1y ago
  That does look very cool but I have no knowledge of the industry so can't really judge if there's any big advances compared to SoA preexisting tools. The 0-to-1 learning curve reduction is definitely very real, but the open question for me is what's next.
srcreigh 1y ago
Here's what I've been able to do: https://pxehost.com https://pxehost.com It's a cross platform PXE server. You just run it (root-less, no config) and the other computers on your LAN can boot up via PXE and (via netboot.xyz and iPXE) automatically download a Linux installer The tool itself and the website both started their life as extremely functional 1-shots from GPT-5. pxehost was in a ChatGPT chat, and pxehost.com began as a 1-shot in a Codex CLI. To me it's really cool that something like pxehost exists, but the fact that it began life as a fully working prototype from a single ChatGPT response is insane.
- nativeit 1y ago
  That’s almost certainly because it actually started life as a human-developed GitHub repo. Not suggesting it wasn’t useful, or that it’s not remarkably convenient. Just easy to forget just how much went into providing it, in terms of the human labor involved with its training data, financial investments, and raw resources. In the broader context, it’s an unbelievably inefficient way to get to where we got. But as long we are here, I guess we should enjoy it.
  - deleted 1y ago
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  - antonvs 1y ago
    > That’s almost certainly because it actually started life as a human-developed GitHub repo. That claim would have much more force if you could point to a repo. Otherwise, it just seems like blind bias.
janalsncm 1y ago
Is ChatGPT not the killer app? It’s pretty damn amazing compared to what we had 10 years ago.
- nativeit 1y ago
  I will cede the very true point that ChatGPT was indeed very unhelpful in 2015.
rafaelmn 1y ago
I mean the obvious proof that claims are false is AI tooling companies that are no better at standard software development than the rest of industry (at best). Given their access to models, tooling and insane funding/talent - they still suck in standard software engineer like the rest of us, if not more because of the pace. All the AI integrations so far have been a joke, PoC level quality software. Talk to me when AI helps them rebuild core products into something more impressive.

I'm waiting to see the output. There should be some amazing new end-user-facing software, or features in existing software, or reduced amounts of bugs in software, any day now...?

Lionga 1y ago

I see so many on HN say they got 10 times more productive but nobody ever has anything to show.

WalterSear 1y ago
I don't think that my product demos will tell you much about how effective AI has been, but here: https://youtube.com/@groove-tronic https://youtube.com/@groove-tronic Now you can't say nobody has anything to show. This does real-time DSP (time stretching, effects, analog emulation), in a language I didn't know when I started (C++), that I started a couple of months ago. I could not have created this without AI, cannot make progress without AI. When I use up my Pro account limits, I'm done for the day - I'm too slow without it for continuing to make sense.
- weikju 1y ago
  > I could not have created this without AI, cannot make progress without AI. When I use up my Pro account limits, I'm done for the day - I'm too slow without it for continuing to make sense. And this is why untold billions are sunk into AI. Creates a dependency on their services and removes agency from end users. Edit: yes I’m aware it adds agency in the sense that some people can do things they couldn’t do before… as long as that’s permitted/surveilles, which is where the agency is lost.
  - WalterSear 1y ago
    Same as github, then. Same as photoshop. Same as any SAAS. I've don't see how I've lost agency. It's not like it's made me a worse coder: getting so much faster with AI hasn't made me slower without it.
    - weikju 1y ago
      > hasn't made me slower without it > > cannot make progress without AI. When I use up my Pro account limits, I'm done for the day Aside from the contradictory statements, I did address your points in my edit. I get the tradeoff. As long as whatever you do is in line with the providers of the services, and as long as you're ok with the surveillance, then sure... It's a tradeoff that MUST be considered and be aware of..
    - weikju 1y ago
      > Same as github, then. Same as photoshop. Same as any SAAS. You can get stuff done without these.
  - fragmede 1y ago
    Do cars remove agency from drivers? If I'm on a road trip, and 200 miles into it, 100 miles from my destination, it breaks down, should I start walking, or find another motorized vehicle to complete my journey? Local models exist.
Balinares 1y ago
I can readily believe that undiscriminating enthusiasts are getting 10x as much code out. Why that might not translate to an increase in software quality and feature count is left as an exercise to the weary senior reader.
- WalterSear 1y ago
  I've been coding for 25+ years. My code has never been cleaner. With AI, refactoring is cheap and safe.

xnx 1y ago

This has clearly already happened in image creation and editing.

skydhash 1y ago
Point us then to the GIMP, Krita, or ImageMagick of AI.
- xnx 1y ago
  I'm not sure I understand the request. https://github.com/Acly/krita-ai-diffusion https://github.com/Acly/krita-ai-diffusion ?
majormajor 1y ago
No, there are models that do amazing work on images, but that's not the same as massive increases in coding into non-model-driven features in image creation or editing.
- xnx 1y ago
  > or features in existing software Ah, I misunderstood. I guess I don't care much if AI was used to create the code that enabled a revolutionary feature vs. AI being the revolutionary feature.
  - majormajor 1y ago
    I don't in terms of tools I use. But I do in terms of "is it a industry-changing advance in software development, the profession" which is what this thread seemed to be about.

WalterSear 1y ago

My beta starts end of October, if you are interested. https://youtube.com/@groove-tronic https://youtube.com/@groove-tronic I'm disabled (which is why I've been forced into starting my own venture) and can only work a few hours a day, but I'm still more productive than I have been in 25 years, even when I had a team of engineers and a designer working for me. The code is also cleaner - because refactoring is cheap now. And I'm working in a language (C++) that I had barely touched when I started.

yahoozoo 1y ago
Very cool. Love the Amen break.
majormajor 1y ago
That does look very cool but I have no knowledge of the industry so can't really judge if there's any big advances compared to SoA preexisting tools. The 0-to-1 learning curve reduction is definitely very real, but the open question for me is what's next.

srcreigh 1y ago

Here's what I've been able to do: https://pxehost.com https://pxehost.com It's a cross platform PXE server. You just run it (root-less, no config) and the other computers on your LAN can boot up via PXE and (via netboot.xyz and iPXE) automatically download a Linux installer The tool itself and the website both started their life as extremely functional 1-shots from GPT-5. pxehost was in a ChatGPT chat, and pxehost.com began as a 1-shot in a Codex CLI. To me it's really cool that something like pxehost exists, but the fact that it began life as a fully working prototype from a single ChatGPT response is insane.

nativeit 1y ago
That’s almost certainly because it actually started life as a human-developed GitHub repo. Not suggesting it wasn’t useful, or that it’s not remarkably convenient. Just easy to forget just how much went into providing it, in terms of the human labor involved with its training data, financial investments, and raw resources. In the broader context, it’s an unbelievably inefficient way to get to where we got. But as long we are here, I guess we should enjoy it.
- deleted 1y ago
  [deleted]
- antonvs 1y ago
  > That’s almost certainly because it actually started life as a human-developed GitHub repo. That claim would have much more force if you could point to a repo. Otherwise, it just seems like blind bias.

janalsncm 1y ago

Is ChatGPT not the killer app? It’s pretty damn amazing compared to what we had 10 years ago.

nativeit 1y ago
I will cede the very true point that ChatGPT was indeed very unhelpful in 2015.

rafaelmn 1y ago

I mean the obvious proof that claims are false is AI tooling companies that are no better at standard software development than the rest of industry (at best). Given their access to models, tooling and insane funding/talent - they still suck in standard software engineer like the rest of us, if not more because of the pace. All the AI integrations so far have been a joke, PoC level quality software. Talk to me when AI helps them rebuild core products into something more impressive.