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I really don't think so. Punk had exploded after the Summer of Hate and in its wake we got Talking Heads, The B-52's, and Blondie at CBGB's. In parallel we have

I really don't think so. Punk had exploded after the Summer of Hate and in its wake we got Talking Heads, The B-52's, and Blondie at CBGB's. In parallel we have early Joy Division in Manchester which is going to inspire U2 to eventually become the biggest band in the world for the next 20 or something years. Martin Hannett is going to be a key figure in the development of EDM with his use of samplers and, "using the studio as an instrument." Check out the beginning of, "Transmission." He'll later go on to produce The Happy Mondays who are, "the" seminal Manchester dance group in the early 90's in lieu of an army of Stone Roses fans throwing lemons at me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7D5heNRUy0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7D5heNRUy0 If you look at how Johnny Rotten was listening to Neu! and X-Ray Spex (as well as The Monkees and Herman Hermits) and what Bowie was doing after he moved to Berlin with Iggy Pop it's not outlandish to say that Electronic Music wouldn't have existed without being preempted by Punk, Glam, and the emergent, "not progressive" guitar music of the 1970's especially in how it paralleled the development of Krautrock. Disco didn't evolve into EDM; Disco gave DJ Kool Herc a set of turntables to invent Hip Hop with. Techno literally came out of, "a certain guy who might be called Gerald" listening to Kraftwerk; Afrika Bammbatta's, "Planet Rock" samples Kraftwerk directly. "I'm the operator with mine pocket calculator." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSBybJGZoCU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSBybJGZoCU

redwall_hp 1y ago
Kraftwerk was definitely important, but you're missing Frankie Knuckles and Black Box... House (from The Warehouse) is as core to EDM as techno (more Kraftwerk), and they were literally remixing disco as well as using disco musical facets. And House and Techno's lines blurred a lot in Europe.
evanelias 1y ago
> Disco didn't evolve into EDM I don't see how you can possibly claim that. Disco led directly to house, and Italo-disco was hugely influential to techno. US electro developed at the same time as some key Italo tracks like "Robot is Systematic" (1982) and "Spacer Woman" (1983). Italo-disco was played on underground radio in Detroit and Chicago, and is often credited as a core influence. Or just look to Detroit proto-techno track "Share Vari" (1981) which was considered to be Italo-disco in style at the time of its release. "On and On" (recorded 1983, released 84) is often considered the first Chicago house record, and it was literally a direct attempt to reproduce a disco record using a drum machine and synths. This isn't to undermine Kraftwerk, which was obviously an enormous direct influence on these producers as well, but my point is they're far from the only influence. Giorgio Moroder should receive the same amount of credit for starters, along with other electronic disco legends such as Marc Cerrone.
- AfterHIA 1y ago
  My feeling is that without gluing all this music together with emergent gay club culture that the similarities are superficial. House is obviously a take-off of what Disco is trying to achieve on the dance floor but so is Parliament and James Brown ins 70's. We might as well say, "electronic music comes from black music in America" but that can't be right because of Kraftwerk and Delia Derbyshire. It wouldn't be wrong to say that George Harrison is a pioneer because of the Electronic Sound record but it all feels a bit like those blog posts that claim that Ringo Starr invented Breakbeat. I don't think you're wrong I just think there's a, "more right position." I'm open to a plurality of views. It may be the, "real story" has to be a, "multiple perspectives thing." I'm just taken to the idea my perspective is the best.
  - evanelias 1y ago
    Superficial? House is literally the same four-on-the-floor beat originally created in Philly by Earl Young of The Trammps. Countless early house and techno legends say they listened to disco, sampled disco, made covers of disco songs, played disco in their DJ sets. Some key producers directly overlapped between the synth-heavy forms of disco (Italo-disco, High-NRG, Mutant Disco) and electronic dance music - for example Shep Pettibone, François K, and Material, to name just a few. I guess believe whatever you want, but everyone else listens to what the people who created electronic dance music actually said and did which puts disco as a direct core ancestor.

redwall_hp 1y ago

Kraftwerk was definitely important, but you're missing Frankie Knuckles and Black Box... House (from The Warehouse) is as core to EDM as techno (more Kraftwerk), and they were literally remixing disco as well as using disco musical facets. And House and Techno's lines blurred a lot in Europe.

evanelias 1y ago

> Disco didn't evolve into EDM I don't see how you can possibly claim that. Disco led directly to house, and Italo-disco was hugely influential to techno. US electro developed at the same time as some key Italo tracks like "Robot is Systematic" (1982) and "Spacer Woman" (1983). Italo-disco was played on underground radio in Detroit and Chicago, and is often credited as a core influence. Or just look to Detroit proto-techno track "Share Vari" (1981) which was considered to be Italo-disco in style at the time of its release. "On and On" (recorded 1983, released 84) is often considered the first Chicago house record, and it was literally a direct attempt to reproduce a disco record using a drum machine and synths. This isn't to undermine Kraftwerk, which was obviously an enormous direct influence on these producers as well, but my point is they're far from the only influence. Giorgio Moroder should receive the same amount of credit for starters, along with other electronic disco legends such as Marc Cerrone.

AfterHIA 1y ago
My feeling is that without gluing all this music together with emergent gay club culture that the similarities are superficial. House is obviously a take-off of what Disco is trying to achieve on the dance floor but so is Parliament and James Brown ins 70's. We might as well say, "electronic music comes from black music in America" but that can't be right because of Kraftwerk and Delia Derbyshire. It wouldn't be wrong to say that George Harrison is a pioneer because of the Electronic Sound record but it all feels a bit like those blog posts that claim that Ringo Starr invented Breakbeat. I don't think you're wrong I just think there's a, "more right position." I'm open to a plurality of views. It may be the, "real story" has to be a, "multiple perspectives thing." I'm just taken to the idea my perspective is the best.
- evanelias 1y ago
  Superficial? House is literally the same four-on-the-floor beat originally created in Philly by Earl Young of The Trammps. Countless early house and techno legends say they listened to disco, sampled disco, made covers of disco songs, played disco in their DJ sets. Some key producers directly overlapped between the synth-heavy forms of disco (Italo-disco, High-NRG, Mutant Disco) and electronic dance music - for example Shep Pettibone, François K, and Material, to name just a few. I guess believe whatever you want, but everyone else listens to what the people who created electronic dance music actually said and did which puts disco as a direct core ancestor.