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Trump Orders US Troops to Portland, Authorizes 'Full Force'

79 points by mraniki 1y ago

Bender 1y ago
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portlandisdone 1y ago
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croes 1y ago
Fascinating how easy it is to use the military against your own citizens. Seems the whole military honor thing is just a myth. I guess „thank you for your service“ will only be used sarcastically in the future
- aaomidi 1y ago
  Already was if you’re one of the millions of Americans from a country America has ravaged.
  - davely 1y ago
    I don’t care all that much for the book, but I often think of a passage Samuel Huntington wrote in The Clash of Civilizations: “The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.”
    - HK-NC 1y ago
      Well there must be something to those vapues and ideas or Ice wouldn't have anyone to remove.
      - aaomidi 1y ago
        American violence is why we end up migrating to America.
AnimalMuppet 1y ago
Reuters has a non-paywalled article: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-orders-deployment-troops-portland-ice-facilities-2025-09-27/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-orders-deployment-tro...
rfarley04 1y ago
Our state newspaper: https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2025/09/trump-says-hell-send-troops-to-portland-authorizes-full-force.html https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2025/09/trump-says-hell-...
bigyabai 1y ago
"Sir... this so-called 'moon bear' issue wouldn't happen to be disrupting the further release of the Epstein files, would it?"
cratermoon 1y ago
"War ravaged Portland"? King Bone Spurs no idea what a war looks like.
- jerlam 1y ago
  His supporters think it's "war-ravaged", or can easily be led into believing it.
  - krapp 1y ago
    Remember when BLM was "burning entire cities to the ground?"
    - SilverElfin 1y ago
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      - AnimalMuppet 1y ago
        There was a lot of destruction, which fell short of burning entire cities to the ground. That's why it's in quotes.
        SilverElfin 1y ago
        Fair enough. I agree with that nuance.
  - LexiMax 1y ago
    His supporters want to believe it is war-ravaged as pretext for oppression. I wish I could tell you why they want to believe this, but I cannot imagine the depths of the craven and anti-social mindset of someone who desires to inflict the full force of the US military against their fellow countrymen.
Bender 1y ago
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- bediger4000 1y ago
  Wow, who's paying for rioters?
  - Bender 1y ago
    The feds know but won't release it. The paid rioters move as groups and there are journalists such as Katy Daviscourt that follow the paid groups all around Oregon. When they recognize her they put up umbrellas, cover their faces, flip her off and sometimes attack her. Its the same groups of people that are paid to travel all over Oregon. If the feds wanted to learn a lot more they should talk to Katy as she has video footage of all of them in multiple locations.
    - dragonwriter 1y ago
      > The feds know but won't release it. If there were actual paid rioters paid for by anyone but someone in the MAGA orbit to justify government action, and the feds knew who it was, it is clear from their behavior in other cases that they wouldn’t pass up the opportunity to demonize them as an enemy (heck, they can hardly pass up the opportunity to manufacture such demonization with few or no facts behind it.) So, if there are paid rioters, and the feds know who is paying them and not telling...
      - Bender 1y ago
        I assume its an ongoing investigation but who knows. Time will tell. Maybe the media will tell.
    - _wire_ 1y ago
      > When they recognize her they put up umbrellas... The notorious umbrella rioters: they lurk behind umbrellas, in numbers greater than 2, then they attack! Be on your guard--Look for the umbrella. Nobody in the PNW uses an umbrella... Okay, sounds legit. Talk to Katy! --Wait-a-minute, who pays Katy to follow the umbrella rioters around?! "The feds know but they won't say..."
JoeAltmaier 1y ago
Isn't there something in the constitution about that? What a shameless oligarch.
- rufus_foreman 1y ago
  >> Isn't there something in the constitution about that? Yes, "The Congress shall have Power...To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions". One of the ways Congress has done that was to pass the Insurrection Act, which was the legal basis for President Eisenhower to send 1,000 paratroopers from the 101st Airborne in to Little Rock, Arkansas in order to force racial integration of a high school. The same act was used by JFK 3 times for similar purposes, 3 times by LBJ to suppress riots and civil unrest, by Reagan to suppress a prison riot, and by George H. W. Bush to deal with looting in the Virgin Islands after a hurricane, and to suppress riots in L.A. after the acquittal in the Rodney King beating trial. There's also the 3rd Amendment quartering of troops restriction, so if you live in Portland, you won't have to let the troops stay at your house unless you want to, unless Trump declares war.
- AnimalMuppet 1y ago
  Yeah, the constitution... let's talk about that for a minute. The feds own immigration policy and enforcement. For a city to declare itself a "sanctuary city" is, basically, a refusal of federal authority. Yeah, previous presidents didn't make an issue out of it. That doesn't make it anything different, though. And the federal government does have the right to bring in federal troops to protect federal buildings and federal officials. But of course it's not that simple. That presumes that Trump's actual reason is the stated one, which is not a reasonable assumption. It presumes that all the troops will do is protect federal property and workers, which is unknowable at present. And it ignores the ruling that Trump bringing troops into LA was illegal. If that was a federal circuit ruling, well, Portland is in the same federal district, so it's current law there. (Does anyone know what the current situation is with that case? Does that ruling stand?) Look, don't take any of this as an apology for Trump. But he does have the legitimate authority to enforce immigration law. If the troops wind up doing more than protecting the people who are doing that, then he doesn't have the legitimate authority to do that.
padjo 1y ago
Nothing says small government like troops on the streets
- dragonwriter 1y ago
  A perfect accompaniment for firing government attorneys for reminding government agents to follow the law. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/26/trump-fires-prosecutor-sacramento https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/26/trump-fires-...
- deleted 1y ago
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treetalker 1y ago
«Execute … Order Sixty Six!»
dabinat 1y ago
I live in Portland and while there are homeless people downtown it’s a great city to live in and I’ve never felt unsafe. Fox News has been saying for years that Portland is basically a war-torn shell of a city in which people huddle in their homes afraid of the criminals freely roaming the streets. They’ve even used footage from riots in 2020 and pretended it was present-day [0]. It’s terrifying that we have a president who believes and takes action based on what he sees on TV. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/05/trump-portland-video-protests https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/05/trump-portla...
- cmxch 1y ago
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  - McAlpine5892 1y ago
    > If not, expect lower levels of safety. Citations. Have you ever been to Portland or do you just believe Trump? There were few (not many) Trump flags in Portland during the election and I don’t recall a single person being hurt for it.
    - IAmGraydon 1y ago
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      - SilverElfin 1y ago
        > The guy you’re replying to is not worth your time. His comment history shows that he speaks in the kind of short, reductionist tropes that evidence the fact that his prefrontal cortex has been melted by exposure to propaganda. People like this are scared of the world around them and operate on fear, which is followed by hate as a defense mechanism. I admire you for engaging, but you can’t change these unfortunate people. Just be glad you aren’t one. Your entire comment is inappropriate for HN. People have different experiences from you. What they have seen or experienced may not be captured in “citations”. You can choose to not believe it. But when you dismiss it as propaganda, you are not being curious. And when you engage in an insulting personal attack, you’re violating the guidelines.
evanjrowley 1y ago
At first I thought this said Poland - a place with a real military conflict brewing.
kahrl 1y ago
Am I allowed to advocate for violence yet?

79 points by mraniki 1y ago

Bender 1y ago

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portlandisdone 1y ago

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croes 1y ago

Fascinating how easy it is to use the military against your own citizens. Seems the whole military honor thing is just a myth. I guess „thank you for your service“ will only be used sarcastically in the future

aaomidi 1y ago
Already was if you’re one of the millions of Americans from a country America has ravaged.
- davely 1y ago
  I don’t care all that much for the book, but I often think of a passage Samuel Huntington wrote in The Clash of Civilizations: “The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.”
  - HK-NC 1y ago
    Well there must be something to those vapues and ideas or Ice wouldn't have anyone to remove.
    - aaomidi 1y ago
      American violence is why we end up migrating to America.

AnimalMuppet 1y ago

Reuters has a non-paywalled article: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-orders-deployment-troops-portland-ice-facilities-2025-09-27/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-orders-deployment-tro...

rfarley04 1y ago

Our state newspaper: https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2025/09/trump-says-hell-send-troops-to-portland-authorizes-full-force.html https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2025/09/trump-says-hell-...

bigyabai 1y ago

"Sir... this so-called 'moon bear' issue wouldn't happen to be disrupting the further release of the Epstein files, would it?"

cratermoon 1y ago

"War ravaged Portland"? King Bone Spurs no idea what a war looks like.

jerlam 1y ago
His supporters think it's "war-ravaged", or can easily be led into believing it.
- krapp 1y ago
  Remember when BLM was "burning entire cities to the ground?"
  - SilverElfin 1y ago
    [flagged]
    - AnimalMuppet 1y ago
      There was a lot of destruction, which fell short of burning entire cities to the ground. That's why it's in quotes.
      - SilverElfin 1y ago
        Fair enough. I agree with that nuance.
- LexiMax 1y ago
  His supporters want to believe it is war-ravaged as pretext for oppression. I wish I could tell you why they want to believe this, but I cannot imagine the depths of the craven and anti-social mindset of someone who desires to inflict the full force of the US military against their fellow countrymen.

Bender 1y ago

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bediger4000 1y ago
Wow, who's paying for rioters?
- Bender 1y ago
  The feds know but won't release it. The paid rioters move as groups and there are journalists such as Katy Daviscourt that follow the paid groups all around Oregon. When they recognize her they put up umbrellas, cover their faces, flip her off and sometimes attack her. Its the same groups of people that are paid to travel all over Oregon. If the feds wanted to learn a lot more they should talk to Katy as she has video footage of all of them in multiple locations.
  - dragonwriter 1y ago
    > The feds know but won't release it. If there were actual paid rioters paid for by anyone but someone in the MAGA orbit to justify government action, and the feds knew who it was, it is clear from their behavior in other cases that they wouldn’t pass up the opportunity to demonize them as an enemy (heck, they can hardly pass up the opportunity to manufacture such demonization with few or no facts behind it.) So, if there are paid rioters, and the feds know who is paying them and not telling...
    - Bender 1y ago
      I assume its an ongoing investigation but who knows. Time will tell. Maybe the media will tell.
  - _wire_ 1y ago
    > When they recognize her they put up umbrellas... The notorious umbrella rioters: they lurk behind umbrellas, in numbers greater than 2, then they attack! Be on your guard--Look for the umbrella. Nobody in the PNW uses an umbrella... Okay, sounds legit. Talk to Katy! --Wait-a-minute, who pays Katy to follow the umbrella rioters around?! "The feds know but they won't say..."

JoeAltmaier 1y ago

Isn't there something in the constitution about that? What a shameless oligarch.

rufus_foreman 1y ago
>> Isn't there something in the constitution about that? Yes, "The Congress shall have Power...To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions". One of the ways Congress has done that was to pass the Insurrection Act, which was the legal basis for President Eisenhower to send 1,000 paratroopers from the 101st Airborne in to Little Rock, Arkansas in order to force racial integration of a high school. The same act was used by JFK 3 times for similar purposes, 3 times by LBJ to suppress riots and civil unrest, by Reagan to suppress a prison riot, and by George H. W. Bush to deal with looting in the Virgin Islands after a hurricane, and to suppress riots in L.A. after the acquittal in the Rodney King beating trial. There's also the 3rd Amendment quartering of troops restriction, so if you live in Portland, you won't have to let the troops stay at your house unless you want to, unless Trump declares war.
AnimalMuppet 1y ago
Yeah, the constitution... let's talk about that for a minute. The feds own immigration policy and enforcement. For a city to declare itself a "sanctuary city" is, basically, a refusal of federal authority. Yeah, previous presidents didn't make an issue out of it. That doesn't make it anything different, though. And the federal government does have the right to bring in federal troops to protect federal buildings and federal officials. But of course it's not that simple. That presumes that Trump's actual reason is the stated one, which is not a reasonable assumption. It presumes that all the troops will do is protect federal property and workers, which is unknowable at present. And it ignores the ruling that Trump bringing troops into LA was illegal. If that was a federal circuit ruling, well, Portland is in the same federal district, so it's current law there. (Does anyone know what the current situation is with that case? Does that ruling stand?) Look, don't take any of this as an apology for Trump. But he does have the legitimate authority to enforce immigration law. If the troops wind up doing more than protecting the people who are doing that, then he doesn't have the legitimate authority to do that.

padjo 1y ago

Nothing says small government like troops on the streets

dragonwriter 1y ago
A perfect accompaniment for firing government attorneys for reminding government agents to follow the law. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/26/trump-fires-prosecutor-sacramento https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/26/trump-fires-...
deleted 1y ago
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treetalker 1y ago

«Execute … Order Sixty Six!»

dabinat 1y ago

I live in Portland and while there are homeless people downtown it’s a great city to live in and I’ve never felt unsafe. Fox News has been saying for years that Portland is basically a war-torn shell of a city in which people huddle in their homes afraid of the criminals freely roaming the streets. They’ve even used footage from riots in 2020 and pretended it was present-day [0]. It’s terrifying that we have a president who believes and takes action based on what he sees on TV. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/05/trump-portland-video-protests https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/05/trump-portla...

cmxch 1y ago
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- McAlpine5892 1y ago
  > If not, expect lower levels of safety. Citations. Have you ever been to Portland or do you just believe Trump? There were few (not many) Trump flags in Portland during the election and I don’t recall a single person being hurt for it.
  - IAmGraydon 1y ago
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    - SilverElfin 1y ago
      > The guy you’re replying to is not worth your time. His comment history shows that he speaks in the kind of short, reductionist tropes that evidence the fact that his prefrontal cortex has been melted by exposure to propaganda. People like this are scared of the world around them and operate on fear, which is followed by hate as a defense mechanism. I admire you for engaging, but you can’t change these unfortunate people. Just be glad you aren’t one. Your entire comment is inappropriate for HN. People have different experiences from you. What they have seen or experienced may not be captured in “citations”. You can choose to not believe it. But when you dismiss it as propaganda, you are not being curious. And when you engage in an insulting personal attack, you’re violating the guidelines.

evanjrowley 1y ago

At first I thought this said Poland - a place with a real military conflict brewing.

kahrl 1y ago

Am I allowed to advocate for violence yet?