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In the long run, absent intervention, virtually all income flows to the owners of compute. We need more than UBI. AGI is the culmination of all human activity

In the long run, absent intervention, virtually all income flows to the owners of compute. We need more than UBI. AGI is the culmination of all human activity up to that point and all humanity deserves ownership of it. It should not belong solely to those who put the cherry on top with the rest of us at their mercy. They don't deserve to control the humanity's destiny. AGI, at some point, has to be made into ... I don't know. Not nationalized - something more. A force of pure good for all humans unaffiliated with any corporation or state.

jstummbillig 1y ago
Why would compute be any less of a commodity than electricity?
- cogman10 1y ago
  The same reason why owning a business is less of a commodity than electricity. It's the ultimate monopoly. Anyone with more compute will ultimately be able to out perform any business you could invent ultimately locking you out of competition. The owners of compute will make a killing and can set whatever price they like. But if the owner is someone like say amazon, then what actually stops them from using their massive compute army they already own to enter the most lucrative businesses for compute slowly dominating everything?
- bryanrasmussen 1y ago
  attempting to come up with reason here: because compute is owned and sold by people who have businesses built on top of compute, thus they let you have their excess compute, it follows that their needs will come before yours.
markus_zhang 1y ago
You are kinda calling for Communism without spelling it out, I think.
- dizzydes 1y ago
  If AGI occurs some form of communism will be necessary no? How else will they cover all the costs of UBI? It's our work/earths resources/internet its been born from, it should benefit us all.
  - Ray20 1y ago
    How does the occurring of AGI lead to the need for UBI?
    - dizzydes 1y ago
      I'm assuming there won't be more meaningful work for most of population to do that AI can't do. Some people think the opposite. That seems to be the main point of contention.
    - brador 1y ago
      Solve for bread or the circus is free.
- raincole 1y ago
  Of course. If AGI becomes real I don't see any reason to keep a capitalism society. Ultimately capitalism works because it incentivizes people to produce goods and services efficiently. If AI is more efficient than humans in every single aspect then what's the point of giving people economic incentives?
  - visarga 1y ago
    Things still cost money. There are always scarcities. For example cells already reached exponential self replication capabilities long ago, but eventually hit environment constraints. It became a struggle for survival, but under infinite resources they would infinitely replicate without effort instead of evolving.
    - loa_in_ 1y ago

jstummbillig 1y ago

Why would compute be any less of a commodity than electricity?

cogman10 1y ago
The same reason why owning a business is less of a commodity than electricity. It's the ultimate monopoly. Anyone with more compute will ultimately be able to out perform any business you could invent ultimately locking you out of competition. The owners of compute will make a killing and can set whatever price they like. But if the owner is someone like say amazon, then what actually stops them from using their massive compute army they already own to enter the most lucrative businesses for compute slowly dominating everything?
bryanrasmussen 1y ago
attempting to come up with reason here: because compute is owned and sold by people who have businesses built on top of compute, thus they let you have their excess compute, it follows that their needs will come before yours.

markus_zhang 1y ago

You are kinda calling for Communism without spelling it out, I think.

dizzydes 1y ago
If AGI occurs some form of communism will be necessary no? How else will they cover all the costs of UBI? It's our work/earths resources/internet its been born from, it should benefit us all.
- Ray20 1y ago
  How does the occurring of AGI lead to the need for UBI?
  - dizzydes 1y ago
    I'm assuming there won't be more meaningful work for most of population to do that AI can't do. Some people think the opposite. That seems to be the main point of contention.
  - brador 1y ago
    Solve for bread or the circus is free.
raincole 1y ago
Of course. If AGI becomes real I don't see any reason to keep a capitalism society. Ultimately capitalism works because it incentivizes people to produce goods and services efficiently. If AI is more efficient than humans in every single aspect then what's the point of giving people economic incentives?
- visarga 1y ago
  Things still cost money. There are always scarcities. For example cells already reached exponential self replication capabilities long ago, but eventually hit environment constraints. It became a struggle for survival, but under infinite resources they would infinitely replicate without effort instead of evolving.
  - loa_in_ 1y ago