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this would be express ticket to court in EU.

by vincnetas 1y ago

sejje 1y ago
The agreement, or posting the photo?
drnick1 1y ago
Ah yes the EU, that country aggressively trying to pass encryption backdoor laws.
- tavavex 1y ago
  It's not self-contradictory at all. Proponents of Chat Control want to be able to spy on their own citizens, and have the technological wiggle room to expand their powers to collect data in the future. At the same time, they generally don't want customers to be abused by large companies that strong-arm them into increasingly lopsided contracts by moving in unison and using the average person's technical illiteracy against them. For people like us, these two things are related because we don't want every bit of our data collected, examined and studied for either tracking or profit - but for them, companies and governments operate on entirely different levels of rights and expectations. Also, the EU isn't even remotely like "a country".
  - theandrewbailey 1y ago
    > Also, the EU isn't even remotely like "a country". The EU has a currency, parliament, elections, laws, presidents, courts, treaties, and is thinking about forming an army. That sounds an awful lot like a country to me.
    - tavavex 1y ago
      Many multi-national organizations and alliances have some of these aspects, does that make them into countries too? In practice, being a country isn't just about filling out some checklist. The EU neither claims to be a country, nor does any country on Earth see it as a single sovereign state. It has democratic and political processes that are similar to a country's, but its sway over member states is limited. Also, its members aren't forced to stay in the EU, unlike the individual regions that are part of your country. And if you truly, unironically believe that the EU is a single country, what do you think of its member states? By extension of this argument, is Spain not a country? Or is Poland a country that's contained within another country, being equal and unequal in status at the same time?
      - theandrewbailey 1y ago
        I never said that the EU is a country nor that I believe it is (much less a single sovereign one), only that it sounds like one. If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it still might not be a duck.
- EasyMark 1y ago
  different groups, different goals. They are against corps prying into your business, but government overall is pretty in favor of gaining as much power as possible for themselves.

this would be express ticket to court in EU.

sejje 1y ago

The agreement, or posting the photo?

drnick1 1y ago

Ah yes the EU, that country aggressively trying to pass encryption backdoor laws.

tavavex 1y ago
It's not self-contradictory at all. Proponents of Chat Control want to be able to spy on their own citizens, and have the technological wiggle room to expand their powers to collect data in the future. At the same time, they generally don't want customers to be abused by large companies that strong-arm them into increasingly lopsided contracts by moving in unison and using the average person's technical illiteracy against them. For people like us, these two things are related because we don't want every bit of our data collected, examined and studied for either tracking or profit - but for them, companies and governments operate on entirely different levels of rights and expectations. Also, the EU isn't even remotely like "a country".
- theandrewbailey 1y ago
  > Also, the EU isn't even remotely like "a country". The EU has a currency, parliament, elections, laws, presidents, courts, treaties, and is thinking about forming an army. That sounds an awful lot like a country to me.
  - tavavex 1y ago
    Many multi-national organizations and alliances have some of these aspects, does that make them into countries too? In practice, being a country isn't just about filling out some checklist. The EU neither claims to be a country, nor does any country on Earth see it as a single sovereign state. It has democratic and political processes that are similar to a country's, but its sway over member states is limited. Also, its members aren't forced to stay in the EU, unlike the individual regions that are part of your country. And if you truly, unironically believe that the EU is a single country, what do you think of its member states? By extension of this argument, is Spain not a country? Or is Poland a country that's contained within another country, being equal and unequal in status at the same time?
    - theandrewbailey 1y ago
      I never said that the EU is a country nor that I believe it is (much less a single sovereign one), only that it sounds like one. If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it still might not be a duck.
EasyMark 1y ago
different groups, different goals. They are against corps prying into your business, but government overall is pretty in favor of gaining as much power as possible for themselves.