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You could selfsign stuff though.

by remix2000 1y ago

leakycap 1y ago
I sense you don't like being wrong, but your memory is not serving you well Self-signed symbian apps: - had no lasting persmissions... EVERY single time a self-signed app did something like use network or bluetooth, the user gets a popup... every.single.time - had no background task ability; save before you switch apps! and music players? nope. - could not write to or browse the general phone filesystem - could only write to files created BY that app - could not use any of the phone functions (call records, making calls, filtering calls, recording calls, SMS/MMS) - had no kernel access for any access to custom plugins or methods outside the official SDK The self-signing tools provided for Symbian devs were MakeKeys and SignSIS & barely worked then. Nowdays, getting them to work takes a dark art incantation and rolling your VM back in time a few decades. Symbian was a shaky, shortsighted OS that switched directions in software and hardware multiple times before finding a lane that it quickly abandoned.
- remix2000 1y ago
  Well that's just wrong lol. At least the first three points. Can't say much about cellular, since 3G is dead here. Disallowing of TCB tampering is to be expected, you don't really need that most of the times. Even commercial apps would need Nokia's review for that. There is a Linux-only S^3 toolchain and you can test yourself that just works (well at least the first 3 points). As for permission dialogs in particular, there is no facility, at least not in S^3 and above to display any kind of runtime permission dialogs. Maybe you're thinking of some other OS that isn't Symbian. Furthermore, there is no mechanism for app ownership of files outside of app directories either. And writing to common fs directories is definitely allowed for self-signed apps that specify an appropriate permission. Overall, I sense you don't like being wrong, but you are not wrong, you're just talking about some other non-Symbian OS I don't really know, so I can't really say much about that…

You could selfsign stuff though.

I sense you don't like being wrong, but your memory is not serving you well Self-signed symbian apps: - had no lasting persmissions... EVERY single time a self-signed app did something like use network or bluetooth, the user gets a popup... every.single.time - had no background task ability; save before you switch apps! and music players? nope. - could not write to or browse the general phone filesystem - could only write to files created BY that app - could not use any of the phone functions (call records, making calls, filtering calls, recording calls, SMS/MMS) - had no kernel access for any access to custom plugins or methods outside the official SDK The self-signing tools provided for Symbian devs were MakeKeys and SignSIS & barely worked then. Nowdays, getting them to work takes a dark art incantation and rolling your VM back in time a few decades. Symbian was a shaky, shortsighted OS that switched directions in software and hardware multiple times before finding a lane that it quickly abandoned.

remix2000 1y ago
Well that's just wrong lol. At least the first three points. Can't say much about cellular, since 3G is dead here. Disallowing of TCB tampering is to be expected, you don't really need that most of the times. Even commercial apps would need Nokia's review for that. There is a Linux-only S^3 toolchain and you can test yourself that just works (well at least the first 3 points). As for permission dialogs in particular, there is no facility, at least not in S^3 and above to display any kind of runtime permission dialogs. Maybe you're thinking of some other OS that isn't Symbian. Furthermore, there is no mechanism for app ownership of files outside of app directories either. And writing to common fs directories is definitely allowed for self-signed apps that specify an appropriate permission. Overall, I sense you don't like being wrong, but you are not wrong, you're just talking about some other non-Symbian OS I don't really know, so I can't really say much about that…