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The article is about two things: Kareem & Bruce, and Kareem & racism. Very much like "Sunday Best" (Ed Sullivan & racism) on Netflix. If you have a sub, be sure

The article is about two things: Kareem & Bruce, and Kareem & racism. Very much like "Sunday Best" (Ed Sullivan & racism) on Netflix. If you have a sub, be sure to watch it. Younger folks today have a hard time understanding the depth of racism around the 60s. Couple of scenes in SB will help to provide some understanding. Kudos to Kareem (and Ed) for many things.

LightBug1 1y ago
Well, I think they're starting to get an idea now. The old, history doesn't repeat, but rhymes, etc.
- notjoemama 1y ago
  I’ve been around since the 70’s and it’s improved dramatically. Big difference. That isn’t recognized nor celebrated like it probably should be. But like the CGP Grey video showed, hate seems to spread farther faster on the internet. I think it was called “You won’t like this video”.
  - rufus_foreman 1y ago
    >> I’ve been around since the 70’s and it’s improved dramatically I've been around since the 70's and it's the same as it ever was. The local library has a thing where you can access historical versions of the local newspaper. I read the newspaper headlines from when I was a kid. Nothing is different now from what it was then. Nothing has changed and nothing has been learned and no one cares.
    - Fricken 1y ago
      Here's "The Lighter Side of Polarization", by Dave Berg, from MAD magazine, April 1974: https://archive.org/details/mad-magazine-166-1974/page/n25/mode/1up?view=theater https://archive.org/details/mad-magazine-166-1974/page/n25/m... America is still dealing with many of the same issues a half-century later.
    - LightBug1 1y ago
      There's a pendulum swinging, for better or worse. But people do care. When I was in growing up in the 90's 00's ... I distinctly remember saying to myself: I know, logically, that racism exists but I cannot remember the last time I experienced direct racism, if ever. I know it existed, indirectly, but I, nor my close family or friends, experienced it. The first time I did experience, and increasingly so, has been in the last 10 years. I think it was terrible until the 70's and 80's (history and family anecdotes prove this, you're right) ... it went relatively underground in the 90's and early 00's which made life great ... and when society was strained by the global financial crash, etc, things have swung back again. I really put this whole reality at the feet of the bankers and it's amplified by social media. They were the lead dominos in all of this. They released the wankers and populism. And getting back on topic, society has broken apart again and exposed racism again. You're right. Nothing has changed. But life is better when the assholes are in their caves stewing their hatred rather than emerging and sharing it with everyone. As above, it's different in how it manifests at the moment, but it definitely rhymes, and at its heart, it's the same hatred manifest in a different way. The only thing we can hope for is the pendulum swinging back, so the wankers are put back in their caves and we can get on with a relatively normal life again.
ramses0 1y ago
Bad News Bears (1976) - https://youtu.be/w1DDuN_eYlg https://youtu.be/w1DDuN_eYlg ...skip ahead to a minute in and give a listen. This is kids, in a movie, in the preview! 50 years of progress, such as it is.
throw4r5324 1y ago
Kareem is also a really good writer. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/kareem-abdul-jabbar-bruce-lee-was-my-friend-tarantinos-movie-disrespects-him-1232544/ https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/kareem-abdul-ja...
abrookewood 1y ago
I know you are correct, but I can't help but feel like there's been a resurgence - at least in the US. Or maybe not a resurgence, but at least they don't feel like they have to hide their feelings and beliefs as much anymore. There's plenty of examples of white supremacists marching about openly in the US.
- pjmlp 1y ago
  From European point of view it feels like it never went away in the southern states, or regions with indian reserves. Naturally we also have our issues on this side as well, unfortunately.
  - RickJWagner 1y ago
    I live in a southern state. We have a very few racists, when they act out the press immediately announces and amplifies their actions. Morgan Freeman once said the way to kill racism is to stop talking about it. He may be right.
    - pjmlp 1y ago
      Thanks for pointing that out, however I disagree that not talking helps. I see how it goes in Portugal and the few European countries I lived in, including having experienced myself xenophobism in first hand in some of those countries, and stop talking isn't how it gets sorted out.
    - n4r9 1y ago
      But .. isn't that also the way to let racism fester?
      - giardini 1y ago
        What is your end game? If you want something to eventually disappear, then it must eventually disappear from common discourse. Otherwise society keeps fanning the embers of hatred.

LightBug1 1y ago

Well, I think they're starting to get an idea now. The old, history doesn't repeat, but rhymes, etc.

notjoemama 1y ago
I’ve been around since the 70’s and it’s improved dramatically. Big difference. That isn’t recognized nor celebrated like it probably should be. But like the CGP Grey video showed, hate seems to spread farther faster on the internet. I think it was called “You won’t like this video”.
- rufus_foreman 1y ago
  >> I’ve been around since the 70’s and it’s improved dramatically I've been around since the 70's and it's the same as it ever was. The local library has a thing where you can access historical versions of the local newspaper. I read the newspaper headlines from when I was a kid. Nothing is different now from what it was then. Nothing has changed and nothing has been learned and no one cares.
  - Fricken 1y ago
    Here's "The Lighter Side of Polarization", by Dave Berg, from MAD magazine, April 1974: https://archive.org/details/mad-magazine-166-1974/page/n25/mode/1up?view=theater https://archive.org/details/mad-magazine-166-1974/page/n25/m... America is still dealing with many of the same issues a half-century later.
  - LightBug1 1y ago
    There's a pendulum swinging, for better or worse. But people do care. When I was in growing up in the 90's 00's ... I distinctly remember saying to myself: I know, logically, that racism exists but I cannot remember the last time I experienced direct racism, if ever. I know it existed, indirectly, but I, nor my close family or friends, experienced it. The first time I did experience, and increasingly so, has been in the last 10 years. I think it was terrible until the 70's and 80's (history and family anecdotes prove this, you're right) ... it went relatively underground in the 90's and early 00's which made life great ... and when society was strained by the global financial crash, etc, things have swung back again. I really put this whole reality at the feet of the bankers and it's amplified by social media. They were the lead dominos in all of this. They released the wankers and populism. And getting back on topic, society has broken apart again and exposed racism again. You're right. Nothing has changed. But life is better when the assholes are in their caves stewing their hatred rather than emerging and sharing it with everyone. As above, it's different in how it manifests at the moment, but it definitely rhymes, and at its heart, it's the same hatred manifest in a different way. The only thing we can hope for is the pendulum swinging back, so the wankers are put back in their caves and we can get on with a relatively normal life again.

ramses0 1y ago

Bad News Bears (1976) - https://youtu.be/w1DDuN_eYlg https://youtu.be/w1DDuN_eYlg ...skip ahead to a minute in and give a listen. This is kids, in a movie, in the preview! 50 years of progress, such as it is.

throw4r5324 1y ago

Kareem is also a really good writer. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/kareem-abdul-jabbar-bruce-lee-was-my-friend-tarantinos-movie-disrespects-him-1232544/ https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/kareem-abdul-ja...

abrookewood 1y ago

I know you are correct, but I can't help but feel like there's been a resurgence - at least in the US. Or maybe not a resurgence, but at least they don't feel like they have to hide their feelings and beliefs as much anymore. There's plenty of examples of white supremacists marching about openly in the US.

pjmlp 1y ago
From European point of view it feels like it never went away in the southern states, or regions with indian reserves. Naturally we also have our issues on this side as well, unfortunately.
- RickJWagner 1y ago
  I live in a southern state. We have a very few racists, when they act out the press immediately announces and amplifies their actions. Morgan Freeman once said the way to kill racism is to stop talking about it. He may be right.
  - pjmlp 1y ago
    Thanks for pointing that out, however I disagree that not talking helps. I see how it goes in Portugal and the few European countries I lived in, including having experienced myself xenophobism in first hand in some of those countries, and stop talking isn't how it gets sorted out.
  - n4r9 1y ago
    But .. isn't that also the way to let racism fester?
    - giardini 1y ago
      What is your end game? If you want something to eventually disappear, then it must eventually disappear from common discourse. Otherwise society keeps fanning the embers of hatred.