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The video seems to be trying to convince me that this is totally targeted at actual musicians. But I guess maybe that's how their target users imagine themselv

The video seems to be trying to convince me that this is totally targeted at actual musicians. But I guess maybe that's how their target users imagine themselves?

themotherhucker 1y ago
As an actual musician who doesn't have any troubles creating my own melodies and timbres (both generated and 'manually' created), its very obviously not targeted at someone like me. It seems similar to a Garage Band type of software, aiming to entice people with little audio production experience and give them an interesting sounding snippet they can play back to friends. For example, the only actual audio editing they displayed was slicing and re-pitching (you can't even choose the time-stretch algorithm), which is conceptually very simple to understand. There's no ability to actually edit dynamics or do very accurate frequency adjustments that I can see from the demos, so it's basically useless for anything I would want to do.
lomase 1y ago
As much as I think making AI music is the pinacle of lazynes and instant gratification, in my opinion they are actual musicians. What I mean is that in a DAW you have a lots of tools that don't make sense in AI context. Like for example, people who use agentic workflows don't need a Visual Studio license.
- recursive 1y ago
  Well, music is art. Some of it is done for hire or commission. Most code is written for an employer or contract. Code written as art is an edge case. For advertising jingles it makes some sense. For artistic expression, like... what's the point?
  - lomase 1y ago
    If the act of creating this AI music provides joy to them... I think they are artist I used to release music that people listend to, but not anymore, now the only joy comes from making it for myself. Am I still an artist?
    - recursive 1y ago
      In my book, you are definitely an artist. Perhaps the purest kind, not that it's a competition. If the act of creating this AI music provides joy to some, they should do it. I just have a hard time understanding that.
    - _DeadFred_ 1y ago
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    - Applejinx 1y ago
      Is a scrapbooker an artist? If a scrapbooker is an artist because of what collage is, is a MtG card collector picking layouts to arrange their cards in the array of plastic sleeves you can get, an artist? If the MtG card collector is not an artist does that mean they're bad and need to stop?
      - lomase 1y ago
        If the MtG collector only orders the cards for the joy of making a pleasant composition and does not provide any function like finding the cards faster or keeping them in good shape. I think they are doing art. If the main reason is to keep their items clean, as much time as they use doing the composition or how good it looks, they are not artist.

The video seems to be trying to convince me that this is totally targeted at actual musicians. But I guess maybe that's how their target users imagine themselves?

themotherhucker 1y ago

As an actual musician who doesn't have any troubles creating my own melodies and timbres (both generated and 'manually' created), its very obviously not targeted at someone like me. It seems similar to a Garage Band type of software, aiming to entice people with little audio production experience and give them an interesting sounding snippet they can play back to friends. For example, the only actual audio editing they displayed was slicing and re-pitching (you can't even choose the time-stretch algorithm), which is conceptually very simple to understand. There's no ability to actually edit dynamics or do very accurate frequency adjustments that I can see from the demos, so it's basically useless for anything I would want to do.

lomase 1y ago

As much as I think making AI music is the pinacle of lazynes and instant gratification, in my opinion they are actual musicians. What I mean is that in a DAW you have a lots of tools that don't make sense in AI context. Like for example, people who use agentic workflows don't need a Visual Studio license.

recursive 1y ago
Well, music is art. Some of it is done for hire or commission. Most code is written for an employer or contract. Code written as art is an edge case. For advertising jingles it makes some sense. For artistic expression, like... what's the point?
- lomase 1y ago
  If the act of creating this AI music provides joy to them... I think they are artist I used to release music that people listend to, but not anymore, now the only joy comes from making it for myself. Am I still an artist?
  - recursive 1y ago
    In my book, you are definitely an artist. Perhaps the purest kind, not that it's a competition. If the act of creating this AI music provides joy to some, they should do it. I just have a hard time understanding that.
  - _DeadFred_ 1y ago
    [dead]
  - Applejinx 1y ago
    Is a scrapbooker an artist? If a scrapbooker is an artist because of what collage is, is a MtG card collector picking layouts to arrange their cards in the array of plastic sleeves you can get, an artist? If the MtG card collector is not an artist does that mean they're bad and need to stop?
    - lomase 1y ago
      If the MtG collector only orders the cards for the joy of making a pleasant composition and does not provide any function like finding the cards faster or keeping them in good shape. I think they are doing art. If the main reason is to keep their items clean, as much time as they use doing the composition or how good it looks, they are not artist.