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Seems pretty simple unless you are secretly stanning for the orcs. Ownership of the land should revert to the status quo ante before Putin's initial incursion
by CamperBob2 1y ago
Seems pretty simple unless you are secretly stanning for the orcs. Ownership of the land should revert to the status quo ante before Putin's initial incursion into Crimea. Those whose property has been destroyed or mined should be compensated with seized Russian assets. Kidnapped Ukrainian children should be returned to what's left of their families.
What alternatives would be more fair, from your perspective?
- strken 1y agoI read this as a logistical question rather than a moral one. What happens when two farmers can't agree on where their property boundaries sat prior to the war, the fences got ripped out after one side used the area as a staging ground, and any records have been blown up by glide bombs? What happens to the real, physical land that's covered in mines and needs to be either cleared or fenced? Where can Maria and her family stay tonight, next week, and where will they end up? These aren't (necessarily) problems for the military to solve.
- CamperBob2 1y agoGood points all. Like the other poster said, though, first the war must end. It's to our shame (meaning the West's) that Ukraine isn't well into the suing-Russia-for-reparations phase.
- JadeNB 1y ago> Those whose property has been destroyed or mined should be compensated with seized Russian assets. Unless you think the resources of the clearly guilty are limitless, this sounds like Versailles-type collective punishment that may be satisfying, and maybe even moral, but is counter-productive long-term.
- CamperBob2 1y agoPutin is no Hitler, though. I suspect that turning Russia into a failed state that the rest of the world will have to support is exactly his plan. He looks at Kim Jong Un with envy, not contempt.
- SanjayMehta 1y agoOrcs? How polite. What do you call African Americans and Asians? Just curious.
- CamperBob2 1y agoDepends. What country did they illegally and unjustly invade, and what war crimes did they commit in the process?
- SanjayMehta 1y agoBy that logic you need to take a good hard look at your own history.
- CamperBob2 1y agoDamn straight. Orc-nature is a consequence of one's actions, and we have no shortage of it ourselves. That being said, we're not the orcs this time, so your point is tangential at best.
- SanjayMehta 1y agoYou’re masking your racism and Russophobia with evasion.
- CamperBob2 1y agoDa, tovarisch
- SanjayMehta 1y agoWhat no vatnik? Or is that reserved for Reddit? I do love the smell of racism and hypocrisy in the morning.
- Ray20 1y ago> What alternatives would be more fair, from your perspective? It would be more fair for the Americans to first return to Europe and only then voice their valuable opinions about fairness.
- CamperBob2 1y agoWhatabout Whatabout Whatabout What about taking arguments of this quality back to Reddit, where they belong?