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I'm really curious how the traditional DAW features stack up against the incumbents. A good DAW has a ton of features. Developing a whole DAW from scratch jus
by recursive 1y ago
I'm really curious how the traditional DAW features stack up against the incumbents. A good DAW has a ton of features. Developing a whole DAW from scratch just to add a "generate part" button sounds like a lot.
- lomase 1y agoThe people using Sunno AI don't care about writing or mixing music. They don't need the same feature list.
- recursive 1y agoThe video seems to be trying to convince me that this is totally targeted at actual musicians. But I guess maybe that's how their target users imagine themselves?
- themotherhucker 1y agoAs an actual musician who doesn't have any troubles creating my own melodies and timbres (both generated and 'manually' created), its very obviously not targeted at someone like me. It seems similar to a Garage Band type of software, aiming to entice people with little audio production experience and give them an interesting sounding snippet they can play back to friends. For example, the only actual audio editing they displayed was slicing and re-pitching (you can't even choose the time-stretch algorithm), which is conceptually very simple to understand. There's no ability to actually edit dynamics or do very accurate frequency adjustments that I can see from the demos, so it's basically useless for anything I would want to do.
- lomase 1y agoAs much as I think making AI music is the pinacle of lazynes and instant gratification, in my opinion they are actual musicians. What I mean is that in a DAW you have a lots of tools that don't make sense in AI context. Like for example, people who use agentic workflows don't need a Visual Studio license.
- recursive 1y agoWell, music is art. Some of it is done for hire or commission. Most code is written for an employer or contract. Code written as art is an edge case. For advertising jingles it makes some sense. For artistic expression, like... what's the point?
- lomase 1y agoIf the act of creating this AI music provides joy to them... I think they are artist I used to release music that people listend to, but not anymore, now the only joy comes from making it for myself. Am I still an artist?
- recursive 1y agoIn my book, you are definitely an artist. Perhaps the purest kind, not that it's a competition. If the act of creating this AI music provides joy to some, they should do it. I just have a hard time understanding that.
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- Applejinx 1y agoIs a scrapbooker an artist? If a scrapbooker is an artist because of what collage is, is a MtG card collector picking layouts to arrange their cards in the array of plastic sleeves you can get, an artist? If the MtG card collector is not an artist does that mean they're bad and need to stop?
- lomase 1y agoIf the MtG collector only orders the cards for the joy of making a pleasant composition and does not provide any function like finding the cards faster or keeping them in good shape. I think they are doing art. If the main reason is to keep their items clean, as much time as they use doing the composition or how good it looks, they are not artist.
- input_sh 1y agoI can tell you exactly how any professional is gonna evaluate this DAW: press Ctrl+F, type "VST", see 0 results, close the page.
- meowface 1y agoIf they do add VST support I could see them becoming a legitimate player. Without it it's definitely just a toy.
- input_sh 1y agoThey're never gonna let you upload and run your own executable files to their infrastructure. That + latency with MIDI devices is why every DAW-in-a-browser is just a toy.
- polishdude20 1y agoYou can get a vst to run locally and still work with the browser.
- input_sh 1y agoOkay, but why would you? What's the advantage of that? VSTs are resource hogs (when you have like 10+ running at once), not DAWs. I somehow doubt a full-blown browser connected to more than a couple of VSTs would be less of a resource hog than doing the same in a DAW. On your computer. That you own. In your house. Without like additional 50ms of latency for the data to travel to the server and back.
- recursive 1y agoI just assumed all the audio data would be local even in a "browser DAW", so VST calls wouldn't go through a network.
- recursive 1y agoDidn't realize this was in a browser. That tells me all I need to know.
- vunderba 1y agoI split pretty evenly between Bitwig, Logic X, and MuseScore and I can tell you the first big reservation I have with something like this is that it's an online DAW. What does that mean? It means that your compositions (outside of bouncing them down to audio stems) exists within a highly proprietary SaaS format and that the moment you stop paying, you've got NOTHING. 99% of major DAWs (Ableton, Logic, FL Studio, Bitwig, Studio One, etc.) are a perpetual license.