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Blaming this on the amorphous "left" is extraordinary, when offshoring has been a 40 year project of corporate America and "shareholder returns at any cost". A

by rfrey 1y ago

Blaming this on the amorphous "left" is extraordinary, when offshoring has been a 40 year project of corporate America and "shareholder returns at any cost". A neoliberal global order has been the traditional Republican platform.

everdrive 1y ago
It's also just not advisable. It's better to attack policies rather than groups.
gosub100 1y ago
The left serves corporations at least as much as it claims to represent the people. That is why they are blamed.
- GuinansEyebrows 1y ago
  Sorry to be glib but I’m not sure you’re familiar enough with the political left to make a statement like this so confidently.
  - gosub100 1y ago
    That's not refuting my claim. It's turning the claim into an ad-hominem by attacking my character. You can research who donates to Democratic candidates if you want to see evidence of my claim.
    - GuinansEyebrows 1y ago
      by and large, US Democrats are center-right by policy. relatively leftward from your rank and file GOP goosesteppers, sure. maybe we feel the same way, but i wouldn't make the mistake of categorizing someone like Chuck Schumer as a left politician.
- rfrey 1y ago
  This is confusing. If I accept your statement, then it seems: 1) The democrats hypocritically supports offshoring while claiming to support workers 2) The republicans explicitly (prior to Trump, but MAGA is not very similar to traditional Republicans) support corporations and offshoring as a mechanism for increased profits And so we blame "the left"?
  - gosub100 1y ago
    No they aren't exclusively to blame. But they were a big part of elimination of manufacturing jobs in the 90s, and were huge critics of attempts to bring them back. I don't want people thinking that the left are some kind of "underdog" that is championing the people. Also their fiscal policy doesn't depend on manufacturing jobs. They can just print more cash and hand it out in various "programs". They, as a party, profit off suffering of Americans because they are always there to sell their voters a solution. The worst thing that could happen for them is people doing well. Because they won't be needed anymore.

by rfrey 1y ago

everdrive 1y ago

It's also just not advisable. It's better to attack policies rather than groups.

gosub100 1y ago

The left serves corporations at least as much as it claims to represent the people. That is why they are blamed.

GuinansEyebrows 1y ago
Sorry to be glib but I’m not sure you’re familiar enough with the political left to make a statement like this so confidently.
- gosub100 1y ago
  That's not refuting my claim. It's turning the claim into an ad-hominem by attacking my character. You can research who donates to Democratic candidates if you want to see evidence of my claim.
  - GuinansEyebrows 1y ago
    by and large, US Democrats are center-right by policy. relatively leftward from your rank and file GOP goosesteppers, sure. maybe we feel the same way, but i wouldn't make the mistake of categorizing someone like Chuck Schumer as a left politician.
rfrey 1y ago
This is confusing. If I accept your statement, then it seems: 1) The democrats hypocritically supports offshoring while claiming to support workers 2) The republicans explicitly (prior to Trump, but MAGA is not very similar to traditional Republicans) support corporations and offshoring as a mechanism for increased profits And so we blame "the left"?
- gosub100 1y ago
  No they aren't exclusively to blame. But they were a big part of elimination of manufacturing jobs in the 90s, and were huge critics of attempts to bring them back. I don't want people thinking that the left are some kind of "underdog" that is championing the people. Also their fiscal policy doesn't depend on manufacturing jobs. They can just print more cash and hand it out in various "programs". They, as a party, profit off suffering of Americans because they are always there to sell their voters a solution. The worst thing that could happen for them is people doing well. Because they won't be needed anymore.