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Someone need to be the first to take the hit, and apparently Ubuntu volunteered

by mongol 1y ago

zahlman 1y ago
Indeed. They knew there was risk associated with this, which is why they didn't just plop it into the LTS release. If it isn't working acceptably by the 26.04 release window, it'll just get reverted.
- subsistence234 1y ago
  non-LTS release means beta now?
  - dfc 1y ago
    No, but sort of yes. This is from Ubuntu: "Interim releases will introduce new capabilities from Canonical and upstream open source projects, they serve as a proving ground for these new capabilities." https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle
packetlost 1y ago
They're doing it precisely so they can identify shortcomings and bugs. This is expected and good.
- 3836293648 1y ago
  It's expected. Good is an entirely different issue. More permissively licenced core components is 100% a bad thing
  - Volundr 1y ago
    > More permissively licenced core components is 100% a bad thing I don't follow, can you explain why?
    - subsistence234 1y ago
      the result of this licensing: in the future there's gonna be a shitty free linux variant, and a SaaS premium variant. of course for complete distros this has always been the case, but now we'll get it for the core components.
ASalazarMX 1y ago
Seriously, topic like this are either commented as: 1. This is an inevitable problem that is being handled in a sensible manner by competent engineers. 2. X company is stupid and their engineers are stupid only someone as smart as I would be capable of doing it right It tells a lot about the mental maturity of each participant. Not a single comment is "Maybe I don't know enough about this to voice an informed opinion", although that's probably a good indiucator.
- majewsky 1y ago
  > Not a single comment is "Maybe I don't know enough about this to voice an informed opinion" Survivorship bias.
- Jonnax 1y ago
  Real good example is the comments on the article itself: https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1580589-ubuntu-25-10-s-move-to-rust-coreutils-is-causing-major-breakage-for-some-executables https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoron... Where it seems like text based forums using upvotes/likes or reactions encourages those who are less inquisitive and/or humble to take up a lot of the atmosphere. It got me thinking that the internet today has more people on it but fewer forums to engage with technical topics in depth.
hu3 1y ago
That's why I always run x.04 LTS Ubuntu editions and not x.10 for critical stuff.

Someone need to be the first to take the hit, and apparently Ubuntu volunteered

by mongol 1y ago

Someone need to be the first to take the hit, and apparently Ubuntu volunteered

Indeed. They knew there was risk associated with this, which is why they didn't just plop it into the LTS release. If it isn't working acceptably by the 26.04 release window, it'll just get reverted.

subsistence234 1y ago
non-LTS release means beta now?
- dfc 1y ago
  No, but sort of yes. This is from Ubuntu: "Interim releases will introduce new capabilities from Canonical and upstream open source projects, they serve as a proving ground for these new capabilities." https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle

packetlost 1y ago

They're doing it precisely so they can identify shortcomings and bugs. This is expected and good.

3836293648 1y ago
It's expected. Good is an entirely different issue. More permissively licenced core components is 100% a bad thing
- Volundr 1y ago
  > More permissively licenced core components is 100% a bad thing I don't follow, can you explain why?
  - subsistence234 1y ago
    the result of this licensing: in the future there's gonna be a shitty free linux variant, and a SaaS premium variant. of course for complete distros this has always been the case, but now we'll get it for the core components.

ASalazarMX 1y ago

Seriously, topic like this are either commented as: 1. This is an inevitable problem that is being handled in a sensible manner by competent engineers. 2. X company is stupid and their engineers are stupid only someone as smart as I would be capable of doing it right It tells a lot about the mental maturity of each participant. Not a single comment is "Maybe I don't know enough about this to voice an informed opinion", although that's probably a good indiucator.

majewsky 1y ago
> Not a single comment is "Maybe I don't know enough about this to voice an informed opinion" Survivorship bias.
Jonnax 1y ago
Real good example is the comments on the article itself: https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1580589-ubuntu-25-10-s-move-to-rust-coreutils-is-causing-major-breakage-for-some-executables https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoron... Where it seems like text based forums using upvotes/likes or reactions encourages those who are less inquisitive and/or humble to take up a lot of the atmosphere. It got me thinking that the internet today has more people on it but fewer forums to engage with technical topics in depth.

hu3 1y ago

That's why I always run x.04 LTS Ubuntu editions and not x.10 for critical stuff.