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The Flock guys are breaking the law to reactivate their cameras so that they can catch people doing things that are illegal or that they think should be illegal

The Flock guys are breaking the law to reactivate their cameras so that they can catch people doing things that are illegal or that they think should be illegal. Seems to be an exact match actually. You have to apply some Theory of Mind. Just like you think you're doing the right thing so do they.

stavros 1y ago
They'll be reporting them to the police, you reckon?
- renewiltord 1y ago
  The entire problem here is that these cities don't want ICE to have the camera data from Flock and Flock providing that to ICE over their express wishes so yes, they will be reporting targets to federal law enforcement.
  - stavros 1y ago
    And do you think it's the city here that's expressing the will of the majority of city inhabitants, or the federal government?
    - renewiltord 1y ago
      I think that just like Luigi Mangione acted against the law to do a thing that he wanted and lots of people think that's fine; you should be unsurprised that Flock is acting against the law to a do a thing that they want. If you condone violation of the law, it will become commonplace. Acting like your violations of the law are fine but others' violations of the law aren't fine is a position you can take but considering that you're in the minority on both, I don't think it's going to result in anything. Sleep with the dogs, wake up with fleas. EDIT: And I'll add some facts here and an example to my last statement here: Luigi Mangione's act is a minority approved act actually https://archive.is/hXNhj https://archive.is/hXNhj So about 18% approve of his act. And no, in the US the will of the majority is not sufficient. There are damping influences on time-localized desires by design. A typical example might be that California's Proposition 8 banned gay marriage but was nonetheless struck down by the California Supreme Court. The will of the majority is not irrelevant but it is not paramount.
      - stavros 1y ago
        The law isn't a thing that was handed down from the heavens on stone tablets, it should reflect the will of the majority. What Mangione did is something that the majority wanted, or at least was fine with. What Flock did wasn't. It's as simple as that.

stavros 1y ago

They'll be reporting them to the police, you reckon?

renewiltord 1y ago
The entire problem here is that these cities don't want ICE to have the camera data from Flock and Flock providing that to ICE over their express wishes so yes, they will be reporting targets to federal law enforcement.
- stavros 1y ago
  And do you think it's the city here that's expressing the will of the majority of city inhabitants, or the federal government?
  - renewiltord 1y ago
    I think that just like Luigi Mangione acted against the law to do a thing that he wanted and lots of people think that's fine; you should be unsurprised that Flock is acting against the law to a do a thing that they want. If you condone violation of the law, it will become commonplace. Acting like your violations of the law are fine but others' violations of the law aren't fine is a position you can take but considering that you're in the minority on both, I don't think it's going to result in anything. Sleep with the dogs, wake up with fleas. EDIT: And I'll add some facts here and an example to my last statement here: Luigi Mangione's act is a minority approved act actually https://archive.is/hXNhj https://archive.is/hXNhj So about 18% approve of his act. And no, in the US the will of the majority is not sufficient. There are damping influences on time-localized desires by design. A typical example might be that California's Proposition 8 banned gay marriage but was nonetheless struck down by the California Supreme Court. The will of the majority is not irrelevant but it is not paramount.
    - stavros 1y ago
      The law isn't a thing that was handed down from the heavens on stone tablets, it should reflect the will of the majority. What Mangione did is something that the majority wanted, or at least was fine with. What Flock did wasn't. It's as simple as that.