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Imo its crazy that there basically hasn't been a game made since, in it's genre, with the same level of ambition. Prey 2017 was fantastic.. but in terms of amb

Imo its crazy that there basically hasn't been a game made since, in it's genre, with the same level of ambition. Prey 2017 was fantastic.. but in terms of ambition it was a step back, it's basically an improvement on system shock 2. I do think there is an ultimate game out there that has not been made yet.. We could do it now though, combine a totally open simulation like minecraft with on-the-fly story / dialogue / characters by an LLM.

SJC_Hacker 1y ago
> Imo its crazy that there basically hasn't been a game made since, in it's genre, with the same level of ambition. I'm not sure what you mean by ambition. Deus Ex was pretty heavily criticized for having "last-gen" graphics What made Deus Ex stand out was the writing and atmosphere, and maybe some gameplay mechanics which hadn't become quite so popular. As you mentioned System Shock had already pioneered them, although that game didn't reach the level of popularity of Deus Ex which won game of the year in 2000 I'd also add in the music, to this day I still remember the main theme. Alot of games these days, don't even bother.
- fluoridation 1y ago
  Well, yeah. Who has ever said the best thing about Deus Ex is the visuals? The levels are boxy, the characters look and move like dolls, and the textures are blurry. Deus Ex is great in spite of this, not because of it.
keyringlight 1y ago
I think the closest we've had is Cyberpunk 2077, although it's still a very different game. I can appreciate why they're hard to do, when you start piling on variations in how the player can approach situations plus short and long term story/character choices it quickly starts multiplying the complexity and quantity of work involved to make something satisfying for dozens of hours
dysoco 1y ago
> Imo its crazy that there basically hasn't been a game made since, in it's genre, with the same level of ambition. I would argue that games like Cyberpunk 2077 or KCD2 are a logical step-up for the genre offering open world, next gen graphics, many more weapons, NPCs, interactions, etc. and quite ambitious. Same could be same of Skyrim 10 years ago.

SJC_Hacker 1y ago

> Imo its crazy that there basically hasn't been a game made since, in it's genre, with the same level of ambition. I'm not sure what you mean by ambition. Deus Ex was pretty heavily criticized for having "last-gen" graphics What made Deus Ex stand out was the writing and atmosphere, and maybe some gameplay mechanics which hadn't become quite so popular. As you mentioned System Shock had already pioneered them, although that game didn't reach the level of popularity of Deus Ex which won game of the year in 2000 I'd also add in the music, to this day I still remember the main theme. Alot of games these days, don't even bother.

fluoridation 1y ago
Well, yeah. Who has ever said the best thing about Deus Ex is the visuals? The levels are boxy, the characters look and move like dolls, and the textures are blurry. Deus Ex is great in spite of this, not because of it.

keyringlight 1y ago

I think the closest we've had is Cyberpunk 2077, although it's still a very different game. I can appreciate why they're hard to do, when you start piling on variations in how the player can approach situations plus short and long term story/character choices it quickly starts multiplying the complexity and quantity of work involved to make something satisfying for dozens of hours

dysoco 1y ago

> Imo its crazy that there basically hasn't been a game made since, in it's genre, with the same level of ambition. I would argue that games like Cyberpunk 2077 or KCD2 are a logical step-up for the genre offering open world, next gen graphics, many more weapons, NPCs, interactions, etc. and quite ambitious. Same could be same of Skyrim 10 years ago.