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Not really. British governments have always been increasingly authoritarian. The stated reason is to stop illegals working. Unfortunately we have an ID for wo

by opless 1y ago

Not really. British governments have always been increasingly authoritarian. The stated reason is to stop illegals working. Unfortunately we have an ID for working, called a national insurance number. We literally can't get legally paid without it. So a National ID card ... Is irrelevant. You still need this number for benefits, etc. I've got an NI number, a driving license and a passport. Not to mention a NHS number. I don't need another form of identification to link together everything about me so my government can leak everywhere.

pjc50 1y ago
NI is not ID for working. It's a tax identifier. The ID for working system is https://www.gov.uk/prove-right-to-work https://www.gov.uk/prove-right-to-work , with its digital ID "share code" https://www.gov.uk/view-right-to-work https://www.gov.uk/view-right-to-work (what does the digital ID scheme add to this again?)
- opless 1y ago
  Yes, and to be paid via PAYE you need a NI number. The prove right to work is a slightly newer thing thats additional
  - mnahkies 1y ago
    The nuance is that you can have a NI number, then have your visa lapse for whatever reason - you still have the NI number. Hence the requirement to prove your right to work through another means. Previously you could use proof of British nationality or a physical biometric residence card - but they've been replaced by the digital share code system (which tbh hasn't been too bad)
    - IanCal 1y ago
      No, those are still the ways of proving you have the right to work, it’s only if you’re not a national that you need the share code.
      - mnahkies 1y ago
        Sorry I worded that poorly - I was trying to make the point that citizens prove their right to work using passport/birth certificate, and until recently visa holders used a physical BRP, and now a digital system (which oddly enough uses your expired/redundant BRP number as a username)
- IanCal 1y ago
  The share code stuff is not for nationals. It’s not clear to me exactly how it works and whether it’s scalable.

by opless 1y ago

pjc50 1y ago

NI is not ID for working. It's a tax identifier. The ID for working system is https://www.gov.uk/prove-right-to-work https://www.gov.uk/prove-right-to-work , with its digital ID "share code" https://www.gov.uk/view-right-to-work https://www.gov.uk/view-right-to-work (what does the digital ID scheme add to this again?)

opless 1y ago
Yes, and to be paid via PAYE you need a NI number. The prove right to work is a slightly newer thing thats additional
- mnahkies 1y ago
  The nuance is that you can have a NI number, then have your visa lapse for whatever reason - you still have the NI number. Hence the requirement to prove your right to work through another means. Previously you could use proof of British nationality or a physical biometric residence card - but they've been replaced by the digital share code system (which tbh hasn't been too bad)
  - IanCal 1y ago
    No, those are still the ways of proving you have the right to work, it’s only if you’re not a national that you need the share code.
    - mnahkies 1y ago
      Sorry I worded that poorly - I was trying to make the point that citizens prove their right to work using passport/birth certificate, and until recently visa holders used a physical BRP, and now a digital system (which oddly enough uses your expired/redundant BRP number as a username)
IanCal 1y ago
The share code stuff is not for nationals. It’s not clear to me exactly how it works and whether it’s scalable.