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"We’ve also removed the duplicative meta-spaces (People, Favourites). Filters are the new foundation — more flexible, more future-proof, and built for growth."

by dcre 1y ago

"We’ve also removed the duplicative meta-spaces (People, Favourites). Filters are the new foundation — more flexible, more future-proof, and built for growth." As a heavy Element user for work, I have long hated this in Element X iOS and now I have the pleasure of hating it in Element web. Everyone at my job is mad about the remove of these "duplicative" metaspaces. Here's a GitHub issue about it: https://github.com/element-hq/element-web/issues/30849 https://github.com/element-hq/element-web/issues/30849 I am a UI dev and I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, but after using Element for nearly 5 years, it really does feel like the user experience only gets worse over time. It is really sort of amazing.

Arathorn 1y ago
As I mentioned here (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45377920 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45377920), sections may well return - they just didn't make the first cut. Meta-spaces ARE duplicative though, if you already have filter buttons which do precisely the same thing - and these are the filter buttons which have been added.
- nixosbestos 1y ago
  Still rooting for y'all but did you do any user testing of this? It constantly collapses the filters meaning it's absolutely more thought and clicks every time than just having the favorite button. It would be so, so easy to just not collapse those filters. Or, potentially consider that "duplicative" is not a reason for an unpopular UX change.
  - Arathorn 1y ago
    It's possible that I'm totally missing what everyone's talking about. The design team did do a tonne of user testing on this, and this is the result. What do you mean by 'constantly collapses the filters'? I'm clicking the filters right now and they stick? And don't collapse? Or are you saying that they apply to a single list rather than multiple sections?
    - nixosbestos 1y ago
      I mean that every single time I reload Element I have to re-expand the filters to get to favorites. It's hidden. It's an extra click. It's extra cognitive load.
      - Arathorn 1y ago
        oh! well, that's trivial to fix.

by dcre 1y ago

Arathorn 1y ago

As I mentioned here (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45377920 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45377920), sections may well return - they just didn't make the first cut. Meta-spaces ARE duplicative though, if you already have filter buttons which do precisely the same thing - and these are the filter buttons which have been added.

nixosbestos 1y ago
Still rooting for y'all but did you do any user testing of this? It constantly collapses the filters meaning it's absolutely more thought and clicks every time than just having the favorite button. It would be so, so easy to just not collapse those filters. Or, potentially consider that "duplicative" is not a reason for an unpopular UX change.
- Arathorn 1y ago
  It's possible that I'm totally missing what everyone's talking about. The design team did do a tonne of user testing on this, and this is the result. What do you mean by 'constantly collapses the filters'? I'm clicking the filters right now and they stick? And don't collapse? Or are you saying that they apply to a single list rather than multiple sections?
  - nixosbestos 1y ago
    I mean that every single time I reload Element I have to re-expand the filters to get to favorites. It's hidden. It's an extra click. It's extra cognitive load.
    - Arathorn 1y ago
      oh! well, that's trivial to fix.