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I was hoping the EU can capitalize on this, but remain skeptical as the EU politicians have noticed what kind of rhetoric is successful and are starting to bang

I was hoping the EU can capitalize on this, but remain skeptical as the EU politicians have noticed what kind of rhetoric is successful and are starting to bang the same drum louder and louder. Being anti immigration one of the main ideas. We'll see. My bet is China will be the big winner.

mr90210 1y ago
This has been my observation living in the EU. Two regions that have been capitalising from skilled programmers and that hardly anyone talks about are the UAE and Saudi Arabia.
- karmakurtisaani 1y ago
  They are in an excellent position to capitalize on the situation: deep pockets and a shady reputation that has kept competition low, so they should have plenty of open position.
alecco 1y ago
Recently the EU allocated billions to fund tech startups. But if you read the bare minimum demands, you'll see how suspicious it is. Like, you have to have a female co-founder, when everybody in the trade knows it's very hard to find a trustworthy co-founder of any kind. I haven't heard of anybody getting these funds. I suspect the recipients were pre-selected before the announcement and the criteria was tailored to match them. And I also suspect, in some roundabout way, part of the money will end up in political campaigns or something.
- bee_rider 1y ago
  How would you hear of somebody getting these funds? I don’t personally know anybody who’s gotten massive VC funding in the US either, but I think it does happen. I don’t see any reason to be skeptical of the requirement to find a female co-founder, I mean it is clearly a program to promote equality, but that is an uncontroversial goal in some places.
  - klipt 1y ago
    Suspicious that the EU claims to "promote gender equality" while turning a blind eye to the male only conscription perpetrated by EU members Austria, Finland, etc
    - zaik 1y ago
      Should the EU have the right to reject national election results if the results show no gender equality?
    - bee_rider 1y ago
      It is a lot easier to come up with new rules for a project that requires proactively making investments (where it is assumed they will be selective anyway), than it is to convince a country to change their military policy.
      - klipt 1y ago
        > convince a country to change their military policy Maybe they can't force them but the EU has mechanisms to punish illiberal behavior like the fines they are charging Hungary. They should start fining countries that do make only drafts, at least to start a conversation about it.
- em-bee 1y ago
  it's very hard to find a trustworthy co-founder of any kind that may be so, but did you check if the funding is limited to teams with at least two or more people? some funds do not allow single founders at all for whatever reason.
jacquesm 1y ago
> My bet is China will be the big winner. Because China is so much more immigration and foreigner friendly?
- netsharc 1y ago
  How about the opposite: the "great again" USA is very unwelcoming, that Chinese citizens who were attracted to the freedoms it once offered (a different flavour of freedom compared to the one Trump is currently offering) might now think "Sheesh, maybe let's not try to migrate to the USA and start a life there!".
- locallost 1y ago
  I don't know, personally never went there. But it doesn't seem to be throwing out babies with the bath water, as currently the case in the US. What their immigration policies are in general I don't know, but they are a knowledge hungry worldpower, and we are talking about scientists here. And as for the EU, my concern remains, there are way too many Trump copycats, and it's difficult to trust it will not go down the same road. The problems and root causes are similar. If I didn't have kids I would've left Germany for sure by now.
  - jacquesm 1y ago
    > And as for the EU, my concern remains, there are way too many Trump copycats Fully agreed on that one.
- Herring 1y ago
  China can turn on a dime. And they smell blood. https://www.china-briefing.com/news/chinas-entry-exit-k-visa-rules-2025/ https://www.china-briefing.com/news/chinas-entry-exit-k-visa... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC8f1qs3TGs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC8f1qs3TGs Give it 5-10 years and the situation could look very different. If they decide to pour tons of money into it, they could dominate like with trains or solar.
  - jacquesm 1y ago
t-3 1y ago
China can benefit in the short-term if talent moves there, but it's very difficult to gain citizenship in China if you're not ethnically Chinese. That probably won't matter for people just moving for work, but those looking for a better life for their children or a home would likely consider it a blocker.
- klipt 1y ago
  There are millions of overseas Chinese descendants who already speak Chinese and are wholly or partly ethnically Chinese. That would be an easy pool to draw from first. For example Terence Tao speaks Cantonese.
mensetmanusman 1y ago
lol, China is the most anti immigrant which is why their immigration levels are so low.

mr90210 1y ago

This has been my observation living in the EU. Two regions that have been capitalising from skilled programmers and that hardly anyone talks about are the UAE and Saudi Arabia.

karmakurtisaani 1y ago
They are in an excellent position to capitalize on the situation: deep pockets and a shady reputation that has kept competition low, so they should have plenty of open position.

alecco 1y ago

Recently the EU allocated billions to fund tech startups. But if you read the bare minimum demands, you'll see how suspicious it is. Like, you have to have a female co-founder, when everybody in the trade knows it's very hard to find a trustworthy co-founder of any kind. I haven't heard of anybody getting these funds. I suspect the recipients were pre-selected before the announcement and the criteria was tailored to match them. And I also suspect, in some roundabout way, part of the money will end up in political campaigns or something.

bee_rider 1y ago
How would you hear of somebody getting these funds? I don’t personally know anybody who’s gotten massive VC funding in the US either, but I think it does happen. I don’t see any reason to be skeptical of the requirement to find a female co-founder, I mean it is clearly a program to promote equality, but that is an uncontroversial goal in some places.
- klipt 1y ago
  Suspicious that the EU claims to "promote gender equality" while turning a blind eye to the male only conscription perpetrated by EU members Austria, Finland, etc
  - zaik 1y ago
    Should the EU have the right to reject national election results if the results show no gender equality?
  - bee_rider 1y ago
    It is a lot easier to come up with new rules for a project that requires proactively making investments (where it is assumed they will be selective anyway), than it is to convince a country to change their military policy.
    - klipt 1y ago
      > convince a country to change their military policy Maybe they can't force them but the EU has mechanisms to punish illiberal behavior like the fines they are charging Hungary. They should start fining countries that do make only drafts, at least to start a conversation about it.
em-bee 1y ago
it's very hard to find a trustworthy co-founder of any kind that may be so, but did you check if the funding is limited to teams with at least two or more people? some funds do not allow single founders at all for whatever reason.

jacquesm 1y ago

> My bet is China will be the big winner. Because China is so much more immigration and foreigner friendly?

netsharc 1y ago
How about the opposite: the "great again" USA is very unwelcoming, that Chinese citizens who were attracted to the freedoms it once offered (a different flavour of freedom compared to the one Trump is currently offering) might now think "Sheesh, maybe let's not try to migrate to the USA and start a life there!".
locallost 1y ago
I don't know, personally never went there. But it doesn't seem to be throwing out babies with the bath water, as currently the case in the US. What their immigration policies are in general I don't know, but they are a knowledge hungry worldpower, and we are talking about scientists here. And as for the EU, my concern remains, there are way too many Trump copycats, and it's difficult to trust it will not go down the same road. The problems and root causes are similar. If I didn't have kids I would've left Germany for sure by now.
- jacquesm 1y ago
  > And as for the EU, my concern remains, there are way too many Trump copycats Fully agreed on that one.
Herring 1y ago
China can turn on a dime. And they smell blood. https://www.china-briefing.com/news/chinas-entry-exit-k-visa-rules-2025/ https://www.china-briefing.com/news/chinas-entry-exit-k-visa... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC8f1qs3TGs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC8f1qs3TGs Give it 5-10 years and the situation could look very different. If they decide to pour tons of money into it, they could dominate like with trains or solar.
- jacquesm 1y ago

t-3 1y ago

China can benefit in the short-term if talent moves there, but it's very difficult to gain citizenship in China if you're not ethnically Chinese. That probably won't matter for people just moving for work, but those looking for a better life for their children or a home would likely consider it a blocker.

klipt 1y ago
There are millions of overseas Chinese descendants who already speak Chinese and are wholly or partly ethnically Chinese. That would be an easy pool to draw from first. For example Terence Tao speaks Cantonese.

mensetmanusman 1y ago

lol, China is the most anti immigrant which is why their immigration levels are so low.