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Google's edge obvious here is the deep integration it already has with calendar, apps, and chats and what not that lets them surface context-rich updates natura
by xwowsersx 1y ago
Google's edge obvious here is the deep integration it already has with calendar, apps, and chats and what not that lets them surface context-rich updates naturally. OpenAI doesn't have that same ecosystem lock-in yet, so to really compete they'll need to get more into those integrations. I think what it comes down to ultimately is that being "just a model" company isn't going to work. Intelligence itself will go to zero and it's a race to the bottom. OpenAI seemingly has no choice but to try to create higher-level experiences on top of their platform. TBD whether they'll succeed.
- moralestapia 1y agoHow can you have an "edge" if you're shipping behind your competitors all the time? Lol.
- pphysch 1y agoGoogle is the leader in vertical AI integration right now.
- xwowsersx 1y agoBeing late to ship doesn't erase a structural edge. Google is sitting on everyone's email, calendar, docs, and search history. Like, yeah they might be a lap or two behind but they're in a car with a freaking turbo engine. They have the AI talent, infra, data, etc. You can laugh at the delay, but I would not underestimate Google. I think catching up is less "if" and more "when"
- IncreasePosts 1y agoGoogle has discover, which is used by like a 800M people/month, which already proactively delivers content to users.
- datadrivenangel 1y agoGoogle had to make google assistant less useful because of concerns around antitrust and data integration. It's a competitive advantage so they can't use it without opening up their products for more integrations...
- hadlock 1y agoIs that why it's basically useless now? We're actively looking for a replacement. All it's good for now is setting kitchen timers and turning on the lights. I go out of my way to avoid using it now.
- glenstein 1y ago>Google's edge obvious here is the deep integration it already has with calendar, apps, and chats They did handle the growth from search to email to integrated suite fantastically. And the lack of a broadly adopted ecoystem to integrate into seems to be the major stopping point for emergent challengers, e.g. Zoom. Maybe the new paradigm is that you have your flashy product, and it goes without saying that it's stapled on to a tightly integrated suite of email, calendar, drive, chat etc. It may be more plausible for OpenAI to do its version of that than to integrate into other ecosystems on terms set by their counterparts.
- neutronicus 1y agoIf the model companies are serious about demonstrating the models' coding chops, slopping out a gmail competitor would be a pretty compelling proof of concept.
- esafak 1y agoIt would be better if you did that. That way you would not accuse them of faking it.
- neutronicus 1y agoWell, I'm not the one who owns the data center(s) full of all the GPUs it would presumably take to produce a gmail's worth of tokens. However, I take your point - OpenAI has an interest in some other party paying them a fuckton of money for those tokens and then publicly crediting OpenAI and asserting the tokens would have been worth it at ten fucktons of money. And also, of course, in having that other party take on the risk that infinity fucktons of money worth of OpenAI tokens is not enough to make a gmail. So they would really need to believe in the strategic necessity (and feasibility) of making their own gmail to go ahead with it.
- halamadrid 1y agoCode is probably just 20% effort. There is so much more after that. Like manage the infra around it and the reliability when it scales, and even things like managing SPAM and preventing abuse. And the effort required to market it and make it something people want to adopt.
- jama211 1y agoI have Gmail and Google calendar etc but haven’t seen any AI features pop up that would be useful to me, am I living under a rock or is Google not capitalising on this advantage properly?
- onlyrealcuzzo 1y agoThere's decent integration with GSuite (Docs, Sheets, Slides) for Pro users (at least).
- paxys 1y agoThere are plenty of features if you are on the Pro plan, but it's still all the predictable stuff - summarize emails, sort/clean up your inbox, draft a doc, search through docs & drive, schedule appointments. Still pretty useful, but nothing that makes you go "holy shit" just yet.
- jama211 1y agoah, that would explain it. nothing other companies aren’t also doing though. I more long for the day when I can just ask my voice assistant stuff and it knows context from an ancient email of mine or something
- eru 1y agoI've recently used the AI integration for Google Drive. Was really quite handy to get eg my passport number as a copy-and-paste-able string directly instead of having to find my scan of the document and then typing it by hand.
- giarc 1y agoI agree - I'm not sure why Google doesn't just send me a morning email to tell me what's on my calendar for the day, remind me to follow up on some emails I didn't get to yesterday or where I promised a follow up etc. They can just turn it on for everyone all at once.
- FINDarkside 1y agoNone of those require AI though.
- giarc 1y agoIt requires "AI" in the sense of how we all wave our hands and call everything AI nowadays. But a daily digest of the past day, upcoming day and future events/tasks would be a good "AI" feature that might actually be useful.
- Gigachad 1y agoBecause it would just get lost in the noise of all the million other apps trying to grab your attention. Rather than sending yet another email, they should start filtering out the noise from everyone else to highlight the stuff that actually matters. Hide the notifications from uber which are just adverts and leave the one from your friend sending you a message on the lock screen.
- giarc 1y agoI meant in your inbox, not notifications on the phone. Gmail already does filter the noise through "Categories" (Social, Updates, Forums, Promotions). I've turned them off as I'm pretty good about unsubscribing from junk and don't get a ton of email. However, they could place an alert at the top of your inbox to your "daily report" or whatever. Just as they have started to put an alert on incoming deliveries (ex. Amazon orders). You can then just dismiss it, so perhaps it's not an email so much as a "message" or something.
- whycome 1y agoOpenAI should just straight up release an integrated calendar app. Mobile app. The frameworks are already there and the ics or caldav formats just work well. They could have an email program too and just access any other imap mail. And simple docs eventually. I think you’re right that they need to compete with google on the ecosystem front.
- anshumankmr 1y agoThey do have tasks. And problem is if they do calendars/tasks, they might cannibalize their own customers who might be building stuff on their wrappers, and then the point of the API business will seem tougher to sell to other customers.
- karakot 1y agoYeah, they even don't need devs to release it, Altman can just ask ChatGpt to write it for him. lol.
- th3byrdm4n 1y agoIsolation might also prove to have some staying power.
- ryukoposting 1y agoThe very models they pioneered are far better at writing code for web than they are at any other domain, leveling the very playing field they're now finding they must compete on. Ironic.
- hyperadvanced 1y agoThat is pretty funny