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Getting away from the debate around your details (most of which didn't happen) ... A singular terrorist event is not the same as an multi-decade occupation, on

Getting away from the debate around your details (most of which didn't happen) ... A singular terrorist event is not the same as an multi-decade occupation, on-going theft of land, discrimination, annexation plans, and - not least - a 2 year long genocide of tens of thousands of civilians. So, no, that isn't what Hamas did.

dotancohen 1y ago
This has not been a single terrorist event. Hamas has been shooting rockets at us for almost two decades before the October 7th attacks. They are still shooting rockets at us, some have fallen yesterday and today. And I'm not even talking about the rockets shot at us from other Muslim nations, such as Yemen, that just proves that this is a Muslim against Jewish war and not an Israel against Hamas war. 19 Israelis were injured in a rocket attack from Yemen yesterday. And how could you oppose both the occupation and annexation plans? Annexation is an end to occupation, no? I also think that the occupation has been going on for far too long, though I fault UNRWA and the PA for that as much as I fault Israel.
- LightBug1 1y ago
  You've relayed one side of the story. I'm aware of the other side. Taking both together, nothing you've said justifies what has taken place over the last 2 years. And your comment on annexation as an end to occupation was truly bizarre, but ... unsurprising at this stage.
  - skinkestek 1y ago
    less than 60 000 people were killed in the Blitz against London. By your logic most of what happened in 1944 and 1945 when 350 000 to 500 000 German civilians died were probably injustice. But in the real world we need to deal with the people who again and again attack their neighbors in vicious ways. And we need to finish it.
    - LightBug1 1y ago
      No. WW2 was a response to the Nazi expansionism. What's happening in Palestine is the equivalent of what happens when allies don't fight back against occupying forces.
dotancohen 1y ago
> most of which didn't happen Even the BBC, a generally anti-Israel organization, has reported on it: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181
- LightBug1 1y ago
  That's a Dec-23 article and doesn't take account of later independent investigations. Regardless. I accept it's reasonable that sexualised violence took place. I accept the what happened on 7th Oct was a horrible terrorist act. But, and apologies if this hurts, none of that, absolutely none of that, justifies what has taken place since. There is no place in this world for genocide. Particularly from a country that preaches "never again". Nothing you can say will change my opinion on that. Israel has really fucked up. It destroyed Gaza, yes. But in so doing destroyed it's reputation and standing for at least a generation.
  - dotancohen 1y ago
    > There is no place in this world for genocide. Particularly from a country that preaches "never again". Nothing you can say will change my opinion on that. I'm not trying to change your opinion on that. I'm in complete agreement with you on that subject. I am showing you that the accusations of genocide against Israel are beyond ridiculous. They are manufactured to favour the side that 1) provides oil, and 2) is in idealogical conflict with the United States. Most countries of the world either need oil or are similarly in an idealogical conflict with the US. Just for example, the United Nations report that slanders the Jewish State about committing genocide starts off with this prose: "On 7 October 2023, Israel launched its military offensive in Gaza, which included airstrikes and ground operations". Does that sound like a logical summary of that day's events?
    - LightBug1 1y ago
      So, despite all the testimonials and video evidence to the contrary, the findings of the world's leading association of genocide scholars, despite Jewish holocaust experts, despite my own conversations with doctors on the ground ... you seek to label accusations of genocide as "beyond ridiculous" from one sentence in a UN report? Not just dishonest. But sickening, frankly.
skinkestek 1y ago
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- LightBug1 1y ago
  I accept it's reasonable that sexualised violence took place. I accept the what happened on 7th Oct was a horrible terrorist act. But, and apologies if this hurts, none of that, absolutely none of that, justifies what has taken place since. There is no place in this world for genocide. Particularly from a country that preaches "never again". Nothing you can say will change my opinion on that. Israel has really fucked up. It destroyed Gaza, yes. But in so doing destroyed it's reputation and standing for at least a generation.

dotancohen 1y ago

This has not been a single terrorist event. Hamas has been shooting rockets at us for almost two decades before the October 7th attacks. They are still shooting rockets at us, some have fallen yesterday and today. And I'm not even talking about the rockets shot at us from other Muslim nations, such as Yemen, that just proves that this is a Muslim against Jewish war and not an Israel against Hamas war. 19 Israelis were injured in a rocket attack from Yemen yesterday. And how could you oppose both the occupation and annexation plans? Annexation is an end to occupation, no? I also think that the occupation has been going on for far too long, though I fault UNRWA and the PA for that as much as I fault Israel.

LightBug1 1y ago
You've relayed one side of the story. I'm aware of the other side. Taking both together, nothing you've said justifies what has taken place over the last 2 years. And your comment on annexation as an end to occupation was truly bizarre, but ... unsurprising at this stage.
- skinkestek 1y ago
  less than 60 000 people were killed in the Blitz against London. By your logic most of what happened in 1944 and 1945 when 350 000 to 500 000 German civilians died were probably injustice. But in the real world we need to deal with the people who again and again attack their neighbors in vicious ways. And we need to finish it.
  - LightBug1 1y ago
    No. WW2 was a response to the Nazi expansionism. What's happening in Palestine is the equivalent of what happens when allies don't fight back against occupying forces.

dotancohen 1y ago

> most of which didn't happen Even the BBC, a generally anti-Israel organization, has reported on it: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181

LightBug1 1y ago
That's a Dec-23 article and doesn't take account of later independent investigations. Regardless. I accept it's reasonable that sexualised violence took place. I accept the what happened on 7th Oct was a horrible terrorist act. But, and apologies if this hurts, none of that, absolutely none of that, justifies what has taken place since. There is no place in this world for genocide. Particularly from a country that preaches "never again". Nothing you can say will change my opinion on that. Israel has really fucked up. It destroyed Gaza, yes. But in so doing destroyed it's reputation and standing for at least a generation.
- dotancohen 1y ago
  > There is no place in this world for genocide. Particularly from a country that preaches "never again". Nothing you can say will change my opinion on that. I'm not trying to change your opinion on that. I'm in complete agreement with you on that subject. I am showing you that the accusations of genocide against Israel are beyond ridiculous. They are manufactured to favour the side that 1) provides oil, and 2) is in idealogical conflict with the United States. Most countries of the world either need oil or are similarly in an idealogical conflict with the US. Just for example, the United Nations report that slanders the Jewish State about committing genocide starts off with this prose: "On 7 October 2023, Israel launched its military offensive in Gaza, which included airstrikes and ground operations". Does that sound like a logical summary of that day's events?
  - LightBug1 1y ago
    So, despite all the testimonials and video evidence to the contrary, the findings of the world's leading association of genocide scholars, despite Jewish holocaust experts, despite my own conversations with doctors on the ground ... you seek to label accusations of genocide as "beyond ridiculous" from one sentence in a UN report? Not just dishonest. But sickening, frankly.

skinkestek 1y ago

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LightBug1 1y ago
I accept it's reasonable that sexualised violence took place. I accept the what happened on 7th Oct was a horrible terrorist act. But, and apologies if this hurts, none of that, absolutely none of that, justifies what has taken place since. There is no place in this world for genocide. Particularly from a country that preaches "never again". Nothing you can say will change my opinion on that. Israel has really fucked up. It destroyed Gaza, yes. But in so doing destroyed it's reputation and standing for at least a generation.