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How do you think Israel was formed in the first place? Or is your comment intentionally ironic?
by basilgohar 1y ago
How do you think Israel was formed in the first place? Or is your comment intentionally ironic?
- ars 1y agoIn the fist place? That was 3,000 or so years ago.
- basilgohar 1y agoThere was never a country called Israel until 1948. It was always Palestine. The idea of a nation called Israel is the invention of Zionists in the 19th and 20th century.
- hashim 1y agoAnd spearheaded by the Haganah and Irgun, who were violent terrorists whose many bombings "persuaded" the British to hand the land over to them.
- SilverElfin 1y agoAncient Israelites existed approximately 2000 years before your incorrect claimed timeline. Today’s Jews are descendants of Israelites. It is also trivially simply to disprove “It was always Palestine”. It was made up by Romans. Again, much later than when Jewish people lived there.
- lupusreal 1y agoToday's Israel has absolutely nothing to do with ancient Israel. They took on the name as propaganda, a cynically constructed state origin myth.
- ars 1y agoReally? Nothing? It's the same people, on the same land, practicing the same religion, speaking the same language, with the same alphabet, with the same capital, with the same place names, with the same cities, with the same core texts, with the same national holidays. But that's somehow nothing? At this point you'd have to actually work hard to figure out what's not the same. Israel is an example of anti-colonialism, where the original inhabitants of the land were able to take it back from invaders.
- basilgohar 1y agoIt's amazing how everything you say above is proveably false. They are not the same people. Modern day Palestinians share more ethnic heritage with the land's original inhabitants than European Zionist settlers. The religion of the region has been different throughout time. Judaism is one religion of that region, and not the only nor even the first. The language is not the same. Modern Hebrew that is spoken in Israel diverges significantly from the original Hebrew, which is more closely spoke by Yemeni Jews, for example. Everything else is in your list is done by fiat, as even the the UN and the vast, vast majority of the world do not recognize Jerusalem as the capital. Israel is the last major European colony and it's an anachronism that will go down in history as the final failed attempt at Western Imperialism.
- mupuff1234 1y agoYou do realize all nations are man made inventions, right?
- jameshilliard 1y ago> There was never a country called Israel until 1948. It was always Palestine. Palestine was never a country before 1948, immediately prior to 1948 there was a British Mandate[0] with the name Palestine, but this mandate included land that would eventually turn into countries like Jordan(which just so happens to be a country with a Palestinian majority population). After 1948 and before 1967 the West Bank was annexed by Jordan and Gaza was occupied and administered by Egypt. The idea of a nation called Palestine is arguably a more recent invention than the nation of Israel. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_for_Palestine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_for_Palestine
- buyucu 1y agoIsrael was formed by invading Palestine, murdering Palestinians and forcing them to migrate.
- jameshilliard 1y agoJewish immigration to Palestine was initially accomplished by buying land from Arab landowners during the time when it was ruled by the Ottoman Empire.
- buyucu 1y agoIs that why millions of Palestinians are refugees in other countries? Israel's founding principles are mass murder and invasion.
- jameshilliard 1y ago> Is that why millions of Palestinians are refugees in other countries? Palestinian refugees are defined differently by the UN vs essentially all other refugees. Palestinian refugees fall under the UNRWA while normal refugees(i.e. refugees from essentially all other countries) fall under the UNHCR. The UNRWA definition is hereditary while the UNHCR definition is not. This hereditary definition is largely why the Palestinian refugee populations can increase over time in other countries so easily vs normal refugees.
- mupuff1234 1y agoHow do you think most countries or borders were formed? It's almost all wars and displacement.
- flyinglizard 1y agoIsrael was not formed by displacement. That's a common misconception. Jews bought lands all across Palestine in early 1900's, with bodies such as the JNF. The displacement ("Nakba") came in 1948, during the Israeli War of Independence (started by the Arabs in Palestine and abroad), and even that mostly concerned areas which participated in the war. Areas that remained peaceful integrated into Israel (today's Israeli Arabs, 23% of the population).
- Hikikomori 1y agoStarted by the Arabs is charitable when Jewish terrorists went around massacring villages.
- Saline9515 1y agoIt wasn't started by the Palestinians. Israelis conduced ethnic cleansing operations against civilians to displace them, including biowarfare and well poisoning. It continues today, in Gaza and in the West Bank. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cast_Thy_Bread https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cast_Thy_Bread https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_expulsion_from_Lydda_and_Ramle https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_expulsion_from_L...
- flyinglizard 1y agoThe article you linked refers to events during the war of 1948, when Israel was already formalized. It's establishment up to that point was primarily based on lawful acquisition, not expulsion. When it turned to an all out war, then yes, expulsion took place.
- Saline9515 1y agoPalestinians still owned most of the land... and buying land doesn't give you the right to rule over the peasants who till it. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/46/Palestine_Land_ownership_by_sub-district_%281945%29.jpg/1280px-Palestine_Land_ownership_by_sub-district_%281945%29.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/46/Pa...