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Right of return for all Palestinians and their descendants, worldwide.
by lupusreal 1y ago
Right of return for all Palestinians and their descendants, worldwide.
- vkou 1y agoLet's not get too far ahead of ourselves, here, that would have the stench of colonialism about it. It's not their land to 'return to' - after all, people already live there and they have no moral right to displace them.
- lupusreal 1y agoThey have been deliberately displaced by Israeli's apartheid government giving Jewish people around the world a "right to return" to Israel. Except unlike the Palestinians, they were never from Israel in the first place so the term "right to return" as used by Israel is nothing but colonialist propaganda. Undoing colonialism isn't colonialism.
- lazide 1y agoIt’s all just the ‘hopes and prayers’ of the left anyway. When someone doesn’t give a damn (like Israel right now), all the public shaming is just another version of the UN’s strongly worded letter.
- hashim 1y agoYes, the shameless and evil generally aren't to be reasoned with, in which case things will come to a head and there are other ways to stop genocides. See for example, the Nazis.
- albulab 1y agoHey chatgpt how many jews displaced from Arab countries in 1948? and how many descendants they have today?
- hashim 1y agoSo you think the Jews imported by the One Million Plan and the tens of others like it were "displaced"? There's a reason that the multiplicity of Jews in Israel today are American and European immigrants with no connection to the land whatsoever.
- nailer 1y ago[flagged]
- basilgohar 1y agoNo. You're just factually wrong. This is a made-up statement with no truth to it. Arab Jews were living peacefully side by side in Palestine before the European Zionist colonizers started coming in the 19th and 20th centuries.
- nailer 1y ago> No. You're just factually wrong. This is a made-up statement with no truth to it. Arab colonisation of the middle east and north africa is documented history. > Arab Jews were living peacefully side by side in Palestine before the European Zionist colonizers started coming in the 19th and 20th centuries. You can look up historical incidences of Arab violence against Jews at any time you like. Palestine was partitioned into Jordan/Arab state/Jewish state for this reason, much like India and Pakistan was.
- basilgohar 1y agoIt's interesting how you have to go back about 1,000 years in order to try to make your false equivalency. At no point in the plan for the partitioning of the Arab world was the safety or peace of peoples living there a consideration whatsoever. It was a convenient way to get the Jews out of Europe for the antisemites that lived there and to give the West a vassal colony to continue to serve its imperial purposes in the Middle East for destabilizing lest the Arabs otherwise unify. Every other government in the Middle East with few exceptions are now, at this point, similarly vassalized and serve the same purpose, and any chance at deviation from that plan has been met with violence of an unsurpassed level with Israel serving as the foothold for that. The minor tribal violence you are alluding to, which was not targeted specifically at Jews, but part of general tribal spats that include Muslim on Muslim violence as well, pales in comparison to the technologized and politicized mass genocial violence in the Middle East that Israel has enabled and actively campaigned for (Iraq, Syria, Iran) for decades. Don't tell me anything about the actions of the West or Israel in the Middle East aim for peace or reduction of violence. Jews were not spared from violence in Israel during its formation as well, with documented attacks against them in Iraq and Egypt to spur them to flee from the Arab countries to the "safety" of Israel. The Middle East was a much safer place for everyone, including Jews, before Israel was formed.
- throwforfeds 1y agoHonestly can't tell if this is satire or not.
- buellerbueller 1y agoPoe's law! Welcome to the internet!
- lupusreal 1y agoI can only hope it is, and assume it isn't.
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- basilgohar 1y agoHow do you think Israel was formed in the first place? Or is your comment intentionally ironic?
- ars 1y agoIn the fist place? That was 3,000 or so years ago.
- basilgohar 1y agoThere was never a country called Israel until 1948. It was always Palestine. The idea of a nation called Israel is the invention of Zionists in the 19th and 20th century.
- hashim 1y agoAnd spearheaded by the Haganah and Irgun, who were violent terrorists whose many bombings "persuaded" the British to hand the land over to them.
- SilverElfin 1y agoAncient Israelites existed approximately 2000 years before your incorrect claimed timeline. Today’s Jews are descendants of Israelites. It is also trivially simply to disprove “It was always Palestine”. It was made up by Romans. Again, much later than when Jewish people lived there.
- lupusreal 1y agoToday's Israel has absolutely nothing to do with ancient Israel. They took on the name as propaganda, a cynically constructed state origin myth.
- ars 1y agoReally? Nothing? It's the same people, on the same land, practicing the same religion, speaking the same language, with the same alphabet, with the same capital, with the same place names, with the same cities, with the same core texts, with the same national holidays. But that's somehow nothing? At this point you'd have to actually work hard to figure out what's not the same. Israel is an example of anti-colonialism, where the original inhabitants of the land were able to take it back from invaders.
- pessimizer 1y agoImagine you kill my dad, steal his house and turn me out into the street; you get convicted and sent to jail and your son gets to keep the house.
- ars 1y agoThat what Jordan did to the Jews in Jerusalem, and then handed the house to Palestinians who decided they want to make it their capital.
- basilgohar 1y agoYou say "the Jews" but you're leaving out that there are Arab Jews and European ones. Arab Jews have lived in Palestine for hundreds of years alongside other Arabs peacefully in coexistence. The arrival of Zionist European Jews was a phenomonen of the 19th and 20th centuries. The Zionist Jews that came from Europe brought with them a supremecist ideology that, in their eyes, justified all forms of violence committed against the Muslim, Christian, and yes, Jewish Palestians that opposed their colonization. I don't know what you're making or misrepresenting in your statememt about Jordan and Jerusalem, but Jews have always lived in Jerusalem since the Muslims first took control of it 1400 years ago when Umar ibn El-Khattab brought back in Jews who had been expelled by the Christian rulers prior to that. Jews have always prospered under actual religious Muslim rule, whether in Palestine, Spain, Morocco, Iran, or otherwise. Zionism is what drove a rift between Muslims and Jews in past two centuries, as prior to this there never was one.
- ars 1y ago> I don't know what you're making or misrepresenting in your statememt about Jordan and Jerusalem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordanian_annexation_of_the_West_Bank https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordanian_annexation_of_the_We... "The Jordanians immediately expelled all the Jewish residents of East Jerusalem.[54] Mark Tessler cites John Oesterreicher as writing that during Jordanian rule, "34 out of the Old City's 35 synagogues were dynamited. Some were turned into stables, others into chicken coops."" Which is why Palestinians should never get East Jerusalem as their capital, it's simply not theirs, not even in the nebulous way that the West Bank is. This: > Jews have always prospered under actual religious Muslim rule, whether in Palestine, Spain, Morocco, Iran, or otherwise. Zionism is what drove a rift between Muslims and Jews in past two centuries, as prior to this there never was one. Is not true, as even a cursory view of the history will reveal endless massacres of Jews by Muslims.
- nailer 1y agoAlso for the 850K middle eastern Jews that were kicked out of their countries by arabs?
- octopoc 1y agoIf committing genocide puts the genociders in a tough spot, then I’m actually cool with that
- paxys 1y ago[flagged]
- ars 1y agoCan you please not post antisemitic tropes?
- paxys 1y agoIt's not a "trope" but well documented history. The Edict of Expulsion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edict_of_Expulsion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edict_of_Expulsion) was issued in England in 1290 and was repeated across most of western Europe for the next several hundred years. And I'm assuming/hoping you don't deny all the atrocities against Jews from the early-mid 1900s in the same region. And it's pretty telling that you chose to say this to me and not the comment I replied to.
- hersko 1y agoDo you think Israelis are only from Europe? Seriously?
- paxys 1y agoYou are the only one using the word "only".
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