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IBM has a long tradition to provide computers for such use cases ;)

slt2021 1y ago
Fun fact, that the famous Holocaust five digit number is still used today in IBM mainframe RACFs, this is coming from the punch cards era, when the census data was tabulated in Nazi Germany with the help of Thomas Watson. I worked at a large US bank, and we used IBM mainframes at the core, including user identity. Every employee had a five digit number as login, no different than Holocaust prisoner number, with a prefix, indicating user account type (employee, non-employee, service acct, etc). My IBM number was 23579
skinkestek 1y ago
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- petesergeant 1y ago
  > the current suffering could stop tomorrow if they simply Who is the "they" in this sentence, exactly?
  - skinkestek 1y ago
    The Gazans obviously. Who else?
    - 2THFairy 1y ago
      Who else? The people actually holding the hostages, perhaps. Because you surely mistakenly implied here that All Gazans categorically are responsible for the hostage-taking and "deserve" to be killed as a consequence of that. Your use of language betrays your feelings. You are disgusting.
      - skinkestek 1y ago
        Even in nazi Germany a number of people tried to help the Jews. On Gaza: not a single that I am aware of have tried to help the hostages, not even the toddlers, despite promised financial rewards.
        hashim 1y ago
        Why would anyone in Palestine, including Gaza, care about helping the people who have occupied them since 1948, with the help of the Brits and funding of the US?
        skinkestek 1y ago
        Because Gaza hadn't been occupied since 2005/2006 and kidnapping toddlers is universally seen as an evil thing to do.
        hashim 1y ago
        No, it's just been so isolated that only Israel can control who and what goes in and out, to the point NGOs have described it for decades as the world's biggest open air concentration camp. I don't condone the horrible things Hamas did (that were actually proven and not later disproven hasbara, like the rapes), but I'm also not arrogant enough to tell an occupied people how they should be resisting their occupiers, especially when the target is a military outpost (which is essentially what the kibbutz was) mere miles from Gaza and being used as a base largely by standing members of the IDF and their families (i.e. the occupying force). Desperate people take desperate measures, who knew? The Irgun and Haganah probably should have thought about that before they violently persuaded the British into giving them a "homeland" that already had a people - including Jews and Christians - living in relative peace on it for almost a thousand years.
- vFunct 1y ago
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  - skinkestek 1y ago
    Do you also suggest Jewish families get back land and businesses that they lost in countries in the region in the process? Because more Jews were squeezed into Israel than Arabs who were squeezed out. These Jews also lost everything. And unlike Israeli Arabs who at least from the declaration of Israel got an invitation to stay there as citizens, this option was not offered to the Jews of surrounding nations. Furthermore, if you want to go back in history, note that Israel was not originally suggested because of WW2 and Holocaust, but decades before because of Muslim harassment of the Jewish minorities in their countries. Just like Pakistan was created as a national home for Muslims to protect them from Hindus. Feel free to see for yourself and also to ask why absolutely nobody in UN or the "unbiased" media or schools has told you this before...
    - hashim 1y ago
      "Squeezed"? I think you mean invited. Assuming you're not being disingenuous, which is unlikely given your other comments and clear hate for Palestinians, maybe you should look at the One Million Plan and the many similar movements by Israel to import tens of millions of Jews into the area since 1948, and the many atrocities like Deir Yassin that forced Palestinians out. Israel has been a long time in the making, since the time of the Irgun and Haganah at least, and none of the current situation is accidental.
  - grumple 1y ago
    > This war that European Jews started in 1948 when they decided to attack and invade Palestine spans 2 continents, and more if you include the various attacks elsewhere. This is extremely ignorant. Jews have lived in Israel continuously for 3000 years. The modern Zionist migration, which started in the late 19th century (far from the first such movement for the Jews, and far from the last we've seen globally for all peoples), was met with violence by the Arabs with pogroms and organized violence starting in the 1920s. It was the Arab nations who attacked the Jews in 1948, not the other way around, and both Jews and Arabs were displaced in the war. Prior to then, there was no land "stolen" by Jews, just land legally purchased from Arab landowners. We'll ignore the fact that the Muslim caliphates and Ottomans stole the land in the first place and focus on the modern conflict. We can also ignore the repeated mass-murders / pogroms of Jews throughout Israel and the rest of the Arab/Muslim world in the 19th, 18th, 17th, 16th, and prior centuries, since acknowledging that Jews were repeatedly killed in Safed and elsewhere would require you to acknowledge they existed there and were oppressed by the people and dhimmi laws of the Muslim empires. The Arabs were and are the equivalent of the xenophobic Trump supporters in the US - they didn't want Jews coming in, buying land, working and thriving, etc. Do you also support violence against non-white migrants in the west?

slt2021 1y ago

Fun fact, that the famous Holocaust five digit number is still used today in IBM mainframe RACFs, this is coming from the punch cards era, when the census data was tabulated in Nazi Germany with the help of Thomas Watson. I worked at a large US bank, and we used IBM mainframes at the core, including user identity. Every employee had a five digit number as login, no different than Holocaust prisoner number, with a prefix, indicating user account type (employee, non-employee, service acct, etc). My IBM number was 23579

skinkestek 1y ago

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petesergeant 1y ago
> the current suffering could stop tomorrow if they simply Who is the "they" in this sentence, exactly?
- skinkestek 1y ago
  The Gazans obviously. Who else?
  - 2THFairy 1y ago
    Who else? The people actually holding the hostages, perhaps. Because you surely mistakenly implied here that All Gazans categorically are responsible for the hostage-taking and "deserve" to be killed as a consequence of that. Your use of language betrays your feelings. You are disgusting.
    - skinkestek 1y ago
      Even in nazi Germany a number of people tried to help the Jews. On Gaza: not a single that I am aware of have tried to help the hostages, not even the toddlers, despite promised financial rewards.
      - hashim 1y ago
        Why would anyone in Palestine, including Gaza, care about helping the people who have occupied them since 1948, with the help of the Brits and funding of the US?
        skinkestek 1y ago
        Because Gaza hadn't been occupied since 2005/2006 and kidnapping toddlers is universally seen as an evil thing to do.
        hashim 1y ago
        No, it's just been so isolated that only Israel can control who and what goes in and out, to the point NGOs have described it for decades as the world's biggest open air concentration camp. I don't condone the horrible things Hamas did (that were actually proven and not later disproven hasbara, like the rapes), but I'm also not arrogant enough to tell an occupied people how they should be resisting their occupiers, especially when the target is a military outpost (which is essentially what the kibbutz was) mere miles from Gaza and being used as a base largely by standing members of the IDF and their families (i.e. the occupying force). Desperate people take desperate measures, who knew? The Irgun and Haganah probably should have thought about that before they violently persuaded the British into giving them a "homeland" that already had a people - including Jews and Christians - living in relative peace on it for almost a thousand years.
vFunct 1y ago
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- skinkestek 1y ago
  Do you also suggest Jewish families get back land and businesses that they lost in countries in the region in the process? Because more Jews were squeezed into Israel than Arabs who were squeezed out. These Jews also lost everything. And unlike Israeli Arabs who at least from the declaration of Israel got an invitation to stay there as citizens, this option was not offered to the Jews of surrounding nations. Furthermore, if you want to go back in history, note that Israel was not originally suggested because of WW2 and Holocaust, but decades before because of Muslim harassment of the Jewish minorities in their countries. Just like Pakistan was created as a national home for Muslims to protect them from Hindus. Feel free to see for yourself and also to ask why absolutely nobody in UN or the "unbiased" media or schools has told you this before...
  - hashim 1y ago
    "Squeezed"? I think you mean invited. Assuming you're not being disingenuous, which is unlikely given your other comments and clear hate for Palestinians, maybe you should look at the One Million Plan and the many similar movements by Israel to import tens of millions of Jews into the area since 1948, and the many atrocities like Deir Yassin that forced Palestinians out. Israel has been a long time in the making, since the time of the Irgun and Haganah at least, and none of the current situation is accidental.
- grumple 1y ago
  > This war that European Jews started in 1948 when they decided to attack and invade Palestine spans 2 continents, and more if you include the various attacks elsewhere. This is extremely ignorant. Jews have lived in Israel continuously for 3000 years. The modern Zionist migration, which started in the late 19th century (far from the first such movement for the Jews, and far from the last we've seen globally for all peoples), was met with violence by the Arabs with pogroms and organized violence starting in the 1920s. It was the Arab nations who attacked the Jews in 1948, not the other way around, and both Jews and Arabs were displaced in the war. Prior to then, there was no land "stolen" by Jews, just land legally purchased from Arab landowners. We'll ignore the fact that the Muslim caliphates and Ottomans stole the land in the first place and focus on the modern conflict. We can also ignore the repeated mass-murders / pogroms of Jews throughout Israel and the rest of the Arab/Muslim world in the 19th, 18th, 17th, 16th, and prior centuries, since acknowledging that Jews were repeatedly killed in Safed and elsewhere would require you to acknowledge they existed there and were oppressed by the people and dhimmi laws of the Muslim empires. The Arabs were and are the equivalent of the xenophobic Trump supporters in the US - they didn't want Jews coming in, buying land, working and thriving, etc. Do you also support violence against non-white migrants in the west?