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You're right that he didn't cheer on political assassination. He merely intimated that trans people's lives are less valuable than others and that black people

You're right that he didn't cheer on political assassination. He merely intimated that trans people's lives are less valuable than others and that black people and women are incapable of intellectual equality with whites and males. A debate about whether that is an indirect encouragement to violence is a valid one. And to be very, very clear: ambivalence at his departure from earth is not equal to ambivalence of the manner. I was happy Rush Limbaugh died of skin cancer. I was not happy Charlie Kirk died of murder.

philwelch 1y ago
> He merely intimated that trans people's lives are less valuable than others and that black people and women are incapable of intellectual equality with whites and males. False. > A debate about whether that is an indirect encouragement to violence is a valid one. Lying about what other people say and mischaracterizing those statements as an incitement to violence is itself an incitement to violence. Stop lying and stop inciting violence!
- unethical_ban 1y ago
  "Transgenderism is a middle finger to God"
  - philwelch 1y ago
    That's a provocative statement, especially taken out of context like that, but it doesn't necessarily imply the devaluation of anyone's life, and the broader context of everything Charlie Kirk said and the way he treated people, including people who identified themselves to him as transgendered, makes it obvious he didn't feel that way. But then again, that's exactly the reason you stripped that quote out of context and posted it to an online argument in which you are much more explicitly devaluing the lives of people you disagree with politically.
    - unethical_ban 1y ago
      >makes it obvious he didn't feel that way But he said it. So you're either wrong and he meant it, or you're defending the words of a disingenuous sack of... Well, let's say "lies". That bad faith provocateur act has no role in decent society. His speech was legal and despicable. He was not a good person. He may have believed himself to be a Christian, I don't know his heart, but he was not Christ-like.

philwelch 1y ago

> He merely intimated that trans people's lives are less valuable than others and that black people and women are incapable of intellectual equality with whites and males. False. > A debate about whether that is an indirect encouragement to violence is a valid one. Lying about what other people say and mischaracterizing those statements as an incitement to violence is itself an incitement to violence. Stop lying and stop inciting violence!

unethical_ban 1y ago
"Transgenderism is a middle finger to God"
- philwelch 1y ago
  That's a provocative statement, especially taken out of context like that, but it doesn't necessarily imply the devaluation of anyone's life, and the broader context of everything Charlie Kirk said and the way he treated people, including people who identified themselves to him as transgendered, makes it obvious he didn't feel that way. But then again, that's exactly the reason you stripped that quote out of context and posted it to an online argument in which you are much more explicitly devaluing the lives of people you disagree with politically.
  - unethical_ban 1y ago
    >makes it obvious he didn't feel that way But he said it. So you're either wrong and he meant it, or you're defending the words of a disingenuous sack of... Well, let's say "lies". That bad faith provocateur act has no role in decent society. His speech was legal and despicable. He was not a good person. He may have believed himself to be a Christian, I don't know his heart, but he was not Christ-like.