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Hopefully the Ladybird browser will become a viable choice soon
by indy 1y ago
Hopefully the Ladybird browser will become a viable choice soon
- typpilol 1y agoI think we're many years off it even being viable for most people
- nicce 1y agoThey haven’t solved security yet. They are doomed to repeat Firefox/Chrome issues until they start using that Swift.
- mi_lk 1y agowhat's Swift's role in security?
- fhd2 1y agoI'm glad you asked: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SwiftOnSecurity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SwiftOnSecurity
- nicce 1y agoMemory safety. A more serious reply, discussed last year: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41208836 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41208836 I think the main repo does not have Swift yet.
- Zardoz84 1y agoI hope that not. Or at least, get out of the control of the controversial person behind it. If I would put all the eggs on a basket, I will prefer Servo.
- foofoo12 1y agoWait, what? What did he do?
- dotancohen 1y agoIn 2021 he once rejected a PR from a new contributer, which was to change the documentation from using the word "he" to "they".
- meindnoch 1y agoLOL. The horror!
- lelanthran 1y agoWas it an actual new contributor or a drive by PR by someone who has no interest in contributing anything but their ideology? Because there is nothing wrong in protecting your project from ideologues who do a drive by PR just to further their cause. There is nothing wrong in preventing your project from being used as an vehicle for someone else's ideology.
- lenkite 1y agoDoes the person's political opinion even matter if the product is good quality ? 20 years ago, nobody used to care.
- johnisgood 1y agoI remember the times, too, when the person behind the code did not matter. The code did.
- andriesm 1y agoI had to google the controversy, found one dedicated blog site page about it, read it thoroughly and think it is insane to call this dude controversial based on what I read on https://hyperborea.org/reviews/software/ladybird-inclusivity/ https://hyperborea.org/reviews/software/ladybird-inclusivity... I'm tired of people who are doing such great work being labeled politically over things like pronoun preferences and somehow this is supposed to make us wish for the projects failure OR the founder's expulsion from his own project. (oh dear I forgot to imagine the project lead could also be female - damn you English language!)
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- MarcelOlsz 1y agoKnew what the "controversy" was without even clicking.
- Zardoz84 1y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45371016 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45371016
- Propelloni 1y agoYes, it does. Otherwise we wouldn't care that really great shoes are stitched together by indentured children somewhere far away.
- jeroenhd 1y ago> the controversial person behind Did I miss a controversy somewhere?
- andruby 1y agoThe "controversy" is probably referring to this: https://lunduke.locals.com/post/5823666/ladybird-web-browser-developer-attacked-by-unhinged-dishonest-activists https://lunduke.locals.com/post/5823666/ladybird-web-browser...
- balamatom 1y ago>That statement reads, in full, "This is a purely technical project. As such, it is not an appropriate arena to advertise your personal politics or religious beliefs. Any changes that appear ideologically motivated will be rejected." Yeah well tell me how a Web browser in the 2020s is not an ideological device. I'll wait.
- jeroenhd 1y agoAh, thanks for the link. Looks like a storm in a glass of water, I'm happy it's not something bigger. The description had me afraid akling came out as full MAGA supporter or something crazy like that.
- Zardoz84 1y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45371016 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45371016 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45371216 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45371216
- chaoskanzlerin 1y agoI'd like to caution the reader that Lunduke is a notoriously biased source, having drifted off into right-wing (and particularly anti-trans) activism in recent years.
- shadytrees 1y agoScroll through his X account -- Charlie Kirk and DHH content are some recent entries. He is one of those people who thinks tech should be apolitical without really interrogating what apolitical means or how it affects people who have been marginalized by politics
- handsclean 1y agoWhat are you talking about? You’re referring to Andreas Kling, right? All I’m finding is he used to work at Nokia, then on WebKit at Apple, then founded SerenityOS, and now works on Ladybird full time. He says he was a drug addict, but is now many years clean, surely that’s not what you’re taking issue with?
- Zardoz84 1y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45371016 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45371016 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45371216 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45371216
- willi59549879 1y agoControversial by saying he doesn't want politics in software. For me that is a good thing.
- fhd2 1y agoDunno if that's possible. To stick with the example, you can either go for gender neutral language or reject it. There is no "I'll stay out of it and do neither". Your only options are one or the other. So feels like a bit of a cop out. For the decision itself, I don't see how he should be put in some extreme political camp for that. I think that's probably hard to understand for anyone outside the US / culture wars bubble.
- detaro 1y agoThere is the very obvious middle ground of "I won't make an effort for it but accept if others do", but somehow the people scared of "gender police" are always the ones that want strict rules saying that nobody is allowed to use it. Same way nobody asked him to plaster pride flags over his project, but he went to the step of telling a contributor to please remove a flag from their avatar because showing that avatar in his project would be "political".
- fhd2 1y agoI suppose there's no way to not make a _decision_ though, is there? If, to stay with that example, he says "You know what, anyone can make a PR to gender any way they like", that sounds like a blood bath. Reasonable responses I can think of are: 1. No we will not use gender neutral language here, it's a policy. 2. I think it's a good idea, but I don't have the bandwidth to make ground rules for that right now, so for the time being it will stay as it is. 3. Good idea, I'll set up some policy on that and if you have time to change things, help is appreciated. > Same way nobody asked him to plaster pride flags over his project, but he went to the step of telling a contributor to please remove a flag from their avatar because showing that avatar in his project would be "political". If that part is true, that's pretty wild. If he _did_ ask someone else to remove symbols from their personal avatar, that sounds as political as it gets to me... But from some quick research, I couldn't find anything about such a thing happening.
- lelanthran 1y agoWhat's the controversy you are referring to?
- pndy 1y agoDid Andreas even mention anything about extensions in Ladybird? I hardly can imagine browsing the Internet without ublock origin or other extensions like cookie autodelete, privacy badger, ublacklist
- MarcelOlsz 1y agoIf you can't modify it to hell and back it's dead in the water IMO. I had to frankenstein my firefox over several weeks to get it to a usable state.
- cgsmith 1y agoNothing yet. https://github.com/LadybirdBrowser/ladybird/issues/976#issuecomment-2269710093 https://github.com/LadybirdBrowser/ladybird/issues/976#issue...
- sgt 1y agoI don't use an ad blocker, I just don't look at the ads. Cookie alerts are a pain though. For privacy I just run in Incognito mode in Chrome or private mode in Safari.