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Things have changed. Google is doing what Apple does and implementing Gatekeeper-like signature checks to ensure only apps by Google-approved developers can ru

Things have changed. Google is doing what Apple does and implementing Gatekeeper-like signature checks to ensure only apps by Google-approved developers can run on Android. Microsoft does something similar with Windows Defender: you need to buy a developer certificate that can be revoked at any time if you want to distribute your app and have users be able to run it. We're at a point where we need permission from trillion dollar companies to run the apps we want on the hardware we own.

71bw 1y ago
>Microsoft does something similar with Windows Defender: you need to buy a developer certificate that can be revoked at any time if you want to distribute your app and have users be able to run it. Clarifying: you CAN run an unsigned app just fine on Windows. A lot of freeware/"indie" (for lack of a better term for small software) programs run just fine, the only thing that happens is the user recieves a warning they have to press "Yes" on (which 95% of people do, because That's The Windows UX[patent pending]).
- heavyset_go 1y ago
  Depends, I ran into this issue[1] a while ago with unsigned binaries. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40815488 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40815488
- promano 1y ago
  They obfuscate it more than just pressing "Yes". You get a big warning saying Microsoft Defender has protected you, and the only clear option is "Don't run" https://cdn.advancedinstaller.com/img/prevent-smartscreen-from-appearing/microsoft-defender-smartscreen-warning.png https://cdn.advancedinstaller.com/img/prevent-smartscreen-fr... In order to run, you have to click on "More info", and then a second "Run anyway" button appears. There's way more than 5% of the Windows userbase that gets confused and can't get past this warning.
extraduder_ire 1y ago
In that case they wouldn't be stopping anything, since they haven't started signing anything yet. I also haven't seen any specifics on how that system is supposed to work, but have seen a lot of speculation and (perhaps not unwarranted) fearmongering.

71bw 1y ago

>Microsoft does something similar with Windows Defender: you need to buy a developer certificate that can be revoked at any time if you want to distribute your app and have users be able to run it. Clarifying: you CAN run an unsigned app just fine on Windows. A lot of freeware/"indie" (for lack of a better term for small software) programs run just fine, the only thing that happens is the user recieves a warning they have to press "Yes" on (which 95% of people do, because That's The Windows UX[patent pending]).

heavyset_go 1y ago
Depends, I ran into this issue[1] a while ago with unsigned binaries. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40815488 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40815488
promano 1y ago
They obfuscate it more than just pressing "Yes". You get a big warning saying Microsoft Defender has protected you, and the only clear option is "Don't run" https://cdn.advancedinstaller.com/img/prevent-smartscreen-from-appearing/microsoft-defender-smartscreen-warning.png https://cdn.advancedinstaller.com/img/prevent-smartscreen-fr... In order to run, you have to click on "More info", and then a second "Run anyway" button appears. There's way more than 5% of the Windows userbase that gets confused and can't get past this warning.

extraduder_ire 1y ago

In that case they wouldn't be stopping anything, since they haven't started signing anything yet. I also haven't seen any specifics on how that system is supposed to work, but have seen a lot of speculation and (perhaps not unwarranted) fearmongering.