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I feel like a big concern could be resolved by creating a new type of visa for students who studied in the US and now want to work there, rather than a general

by ronsor 1y ago

I feel like a big concern could be resolved by creating a new type of visa for students who studied in the US and now want to work there, rather than a general foreign professional visa.

OptionOfT 1y ago
But for students there is the O-1 visa?
- jpalawaga 1y ago
  way too hard to get. see here: https://www.reddit.com/r/USCIS/comments/13uk5yb/o1_visa_petition_not_enough_citations_phd_holder/ https://www.reddit.com/r/USCIS/comments/13uk5yb/o1_visa_peti... studying here is no guarantee you'll get to stay, even if you did a phd.
  - jacobgkau 1y ago
    That anecdote is a sample size of 1, and the OP of that thread did end up getting the visa, despite their company's partner's lawyers' "belief" that their application would be "on the weaker side."
toxicdevil 1y ago
Students have access to OPT (1y) and STEM OPT (2y) on the same visa to work after their degree. If they go for a higher degree then they can get OPT again. Grad students from US universities also get a separate quota in the H1B cap. All of this should to a little extent alleviate some of the concerns. The weighted system should still work since the candidate pool (from within the US) is likely mostly students on OPT. They should have comparable salaries, unless they are hired by rotten companies.
pessimizer 1y ago
Why should they be favored?
- zbentley 1y ago
  Their qualifications for certain roles are easier to vouch for if they have studied at accredited US schools. That’s not to say that all US schools are good or equal, just that the credential is easier to validate.
- bdcravens 1y ago
  There has been a lot of criticism about US universities training future competitors to the US economy. Also there's presumably value in someone receiving their training at a US educational institution, derived from US values and US capitalism, versus a foreign institution.
franktankbank 1y ago
Way too many crap colleges out there.
thatfrenchguy 1y ago
But then you’re accentuating the master mill problem and loosing on a ton of talent who does not have the money to pay for a degree in the US.
guywithahat 1y ago
Is this a thing we want though? The point of studying in the US is for a US education, not to get a job here. There does seem to be a sentiment that once you've studied here you deserve a job in the US, and I'm not sure that's the correct way of looking at things. Students have the fewest skills, if we are to have a work visa program it should be targeted at high skilled laborers, who have worked in industry for enough time to pick up desirable skills

by ronsor 1y ago

I feel like a big concern could be resolved by creating a new type of visa for students who studied in the US and now want to work there, rather than a general foreign professional visa.

OptionOfT 1y ago

But for students there is the O-1 visa?

jpalawaga 1y ago
way too hard to get. see here: https://www.reddit.com/r/USCIS/comments/13uk5yb/o1_visa_petition_not_enough_citations_phd_holder/ https://www.reddit.com/r/USCIS/comments/13uk5yb/o1_visa_peti... studying here is no guarantee you'll get to stay, even if you did a phd.
- jacobgkau 1y ago
  That anecdote is a sample size of 1, and the OP of that thread did end up getting the visa, despite their company's partner's lawyers' "belief" that their application would be "on the weaker side."

toxicdevil 1y ago

Students have access to OPT (1y) and STEM OPT (2y) on the same visa to work after their degree. If they go for a higher degree then they can get OPT again. Grad students from US universities also get a separate quota in the H1B cap. All of this should to a little extent alleviate some of the concerns. The weighted system should still work since the candidate pool (from within the US) is likely mostly students on OPT. They should have comparable salaries, unless they are hired by rotten companies.

pessimizer 1y ago

Why should they be favored?

zbentley 1y ago
Their qualifications for certain roles are easier to vouch for if they have studied at accredited US schools. That’s not to say that all US schools are good or equal, just that the credential is easier to validate.
bdcravens 1y ago
There has been a lot of criticism about US universities training future competitors to the US economy. Also there's presumably value in someone receiving their training at a US educational institution, derived from US values and US capitalism, versus a foreign institution.

franktankbank 1y ago

Way too many crap colleges out there.

thatfrenchguy 1y ago

But then you’re accentuating the master mill problem and loosing on a ton of talent who does not have the money to pay for a degree in the US.

guywithahat 1y ago

Is this a thing we want though? The point of studying in the US is for a US education, not to get a job here. There does seem to be a sentiment that once you've studied here you deserve a job in the US, and I'm not sure that's the correct way of looking at things. Students have the fewest skills, if we are to have a work visa program it should be targeted at high skilled laborers, who have worked in industry for enough time to pick up desirable skills