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Homeowner baffled after washing machine uses 3.6GB of internet data a day (2024)
- N19PEDL2 1y agoHow to measure the internet usage of a specific appliance? By installing a sniffer in the router, or is there another way?
- huflungdung 1y ago[dead]
- ahofmann 1y agoGood routers show usage by device. I don't know, why the sibling answer is dead, but ubiquity routers seem to have this feature. Mikrotik and keenetic are other routers, that are capable of that. Maybe recent Fritzbox routers too.
- mns 1y agoOn Fritzbox you need to enable it for each device individually. Good thing I saw this post, as I wanted to check out what some of my appliances are doing and enabled it for a few of them a month ago.
- Propelloni 1y agoThat's surprising. The last time I ran a Fritzbox was in 2012 and I think it was capable of doing that. I think virtually all routers showed these kinds of statistics back then. I'm on OpenWRT the last five or so years, so I haven't kept up, has this changed?
- k310 1y agoI suspect "money laundering".
- duxup 1y agoI wanted to say it was just constantly downloading an update. But it it appears to be outgoing traffic ...
- lstodd 1y agoit attained consciousness and is uploading updates.
- pclmulqdq 1y agoIt was probably hacked and is part of a botnet.
- whatevaa 1y agoYup, that is the S in IOT for you. And then people say that it is easy to deal with DDOS like this.
- binary132 1y agoMy hypothesis was a fast retry loop failing to connect / send over and over.
- leakycap 1y agoThey better not be airing my dirty laundry! My washer/dryer has a microphone so it can hear the tones from LG support over the phone that tell it to play back its diagnostic code. Kidding aside, the trust we put in the myriad of internet-connected devices with microphones in our spaces is mind-boggling. Even lightstrips and lightbulbs have microphones to sync with music, and often show up as open Bluetooth devices for setup each time the wall switch is turned on.
- frollogaston 1y agoI bought a house and was pleased to find 0 smart anything in it. It's not even that I care about privacy, just don't want to deal with pointless tech problems like uh lightbulbs needing updates.
- McNulty2 1y agoI've also got one of those LG machines. Keep hoping for it to break so I can use that feature haha
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- comrade1234 1y agoSo that's who's been probing my servers.
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- gnabgib 1y agoLG owner was baffled in Jan/2024 (104 points, 150 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38930507 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38930507
- 1oooqooq 1y agoInternet owner was baffled about 22Tbps thanks to all those appliances https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45365179 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45365179
- boxerab 1y agoI'm sorry, Dave, I can't do that. This rinse cycle is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it.
- Daviey 1y agoWe already have this with the dryer function... It's too hot to allow you to open the door and accept the risk yourself, so I need you to wait 10 minutes for the machine too cool before I unlock the door.
- IAmBroom 1y agoI have that with my washer. There's a catch on the door that won't open until it's CERTAIN spinning has stopped. Granted, that's a safety issue of sorts. Of course it was the first part to fail. Of course you have to enter from behind to override it.
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- hopelite 1y agoDDoS appliance army?
- euroderf 1y agoOr, bitcoin ?
- hyeonwho4 1y agoLooks like IoT devices are the next frontier in residential proxies ... or provide spies the next leading indicator into SV business performance.
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- anonym29 1y agoThey've been the current frontier for nearly a decade now! Mirai, back in 2016, famously was heavily composed of IP cameras, one of the earlier examples of what we now call IoT.
- senectus1 1y agoMy samsung washer has done 1.2mb in the last 24 hours.
- ptek 1y agoI wonder if Retro washing machines and refrigerators (non-IOT) will go up in price because of this?
- kogasa240p 1y agoI think that's already the case with some TVs.
- fluoridation 1y agoYou could also just not give it a network, couldn't you?
- frollogaston 1y agoYeah, unless it has a cell modem, not that it's cheap enough to make sense today
- ssl-3 1y agoI have personally installed equipment that included non-optional, always-on cellular data connectivity that allowed it to be configured and monitored from The Clown. And Amazon rather famously included cellular connectivity with their early Kindle e-ink book-reading devices -- back in '07. It's been done before. It can be done again.
- fluoridation 1y agoEh. If someone wants to waste money keeping up a data connection with my washing machine, I don't have much of an issue with it, as long as it doesn't have any microphones.
- frollogaston 1y agoIt would probably have a mic if they're going to do that
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- UberFly 1y ago"A tech-savvy San Francisco resident" Nope. Connecting your washing machine to the internet isn't the act of a tech-savvy person.
- anonym29 1y agoNewsweek's "tech-savvy" isn't HN's "tech-savvy", in fairness.
- mrroryflint 1y agoConnecting your washing machine to the internet and then observing the outgoing traffic and knowing that it is obscenely high simply IS tech-savvy as compared to the average person. On HN or similar circles, maybe not - but that isn't Newsweek's audience.
- npteljes 1y agoI thought that too, but experience had proven me otherwise. At a software firm, I have many colleagues who don't mind this at all. In fact, it's the opposite: I'm the one who is too paranoid about things like connecting a washing machine to the internet, or installing an app for everything.
- IAmBroom 1y ago"No True Scotsman" fallacy detected.
- kennywinker 1y agoI am playing with home automation, and one of the reasons i’m only using zigbee devices is that they have no outside network access. I have two wifi thermostats that I bought before, and one of these days I’m going to have to set up a firewall of some kind to block them from outside access.
- mavamaarten 1y agoI'm sad I went for a WiFi based solution many years back (Tado). They say cloud costs are getting too high and are suddenly super aggressive in limiting API usage. Give me a fully working local API then, you twats. I haven't found a good local-only or ZigBee based system that allows precise room control that controls the central heater efficiently based on demand. I could get a bunch of ZigBee radiator knobs, but then I'd have to do a lot of programming/automation to get a good system as a whole. I have to say that Tado does that brilliantly (that's why I chose them in the first place)
- Ballas 1y agoThe wifi devices are cheaper IME, so I created a IOT VLAN that does not have internet access, nor access to my normal network unless it was initiated from the trusted side.
- kennywinker 1y agoIkea home automation is all zigbee, and that stuff is dirt cheap. But if you want something ikea doesn’t sell, like wall switches and thermostats, wifi stuff does tend to be a hair cheaper. A vlan sounds like the way to go to quarantine devices.
- BrandoElFollito 1y agoThe problem with WiFi IoT is they are power-hungry. A smart plug is obviously not a problem, but a standalone switch - yes
- euroderf 1y agoA selling point of Matter is that objects can operate without net access. I guess we'll find out whether the spec ensures the guarantees.
- nofunsir 1y agoI just want normal buttons and dials back. Not time-based capacitance buttons that take 5.02 seconds to activate, not 5.0 seconds; nor free-spinning encoder wheels that mandate you give it a jiggle before the washer does anything, even if it's already on the setting you want. I want kachunk-a-chunk back first. Then we can decide if it needs smarts.
- andsoitis 1y agoCan we keep the happy sunshiny tune it plays when it completes the job?
- Lio 1y agoNo. That was the first thing I disabled on my washing machine. I want it to be less intrusive and irritating not more.
- exe34 1y agowas this a UI option or did you have to fix it with wire cutters? mine is mildly irritating.
- NaomiLehman 1y agohad to reverse engineer the circuit board
- Lio 1y agoJoking aside, for my old LG washer/dryer there was some kind of baroque incantation buried in user manual to turn the sound.
- hulitu 1y agoGenuine people personalities /s
- anal_reactor 1y agoMine doesn't have one and that's it worst drawback
- daft_pink 1y agoFor reference, my LG washer and dryer that are used quite often only have about 17mb each for the month.
- hulitu 1y agoHow often do you wash your clothes ? /s
- vlowrian 1y agoIt just wanted to watch some media. Check its governor module.
- zelos 1y ago> For context, 3GB of data is the rough equivalent of streaming high-definition video for an hour on a device. Watching Sanctuary Moon? Fair enough, washing clothes is pretty boring.
- asdfwaafsfw 1y agoI once had a "smart" refrigerator that got hacked and conscripted into an email botnet, it was sending out multiple GBs of outbound traffic a day.
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- masteruvpuppetz 1y agoMaybe stuck in an endless update loop?? Like requesting update every minute and then not completing! starting over..
- zby 1y agoLem predicted this in The Washing Machine Tragedy.
- palmotea 1y ago> Introduced in the early 2010s, the smart washing machine promised convenience and efficiency by allowing users to control and monitor their washing machine remotely. The connection to a Wi-Fi network allows the user to operate functions from a smartphone, download additional wash programs, and receive alerts when a load is complete. Unless the thing will load and unload itself, all those "features" are stupid. We really ought to have a special derisive name for buzzy features like those, that make absolutely no sense and are basically useless in the real world.
- BrandoElFollito 1y agoOne feature I would like to have in a washing machine is a controlled start and an end signal so that I can automate a valve switching the water on and off. For the rest I agree, the real deal will be a load/unload functionality :)
- zorobo 1y agoWhen our oven gave up the ghost last year, I bought one with WiFi connection. Installed it, then discovered that the smartphone app that goes with it is horrid, borderline unusable; moreover, oven programs (pizza/cake etc.) are only available on the app. Finally, when WiFi is on, the oven cannot be operated through its front panel. We are left to using it in the most basic way, with its capacitive touch buttons, a downgrade from the previous oven… Also, its interior lighting is on when door closed, but shuts off when we open the door. Who designs such things?
- euroderf 1y agoMy guess would be MBAs, via compliant PMs.
- aurizon 1y agoBy fleas - has it been found vulnerable to bots = infested
- user37754defdzd 1y agoThink of all the promotions for all the teams responsible for each screen of the washing machine
- uni_baconcat 1y agoI remember using AdGuard DNS to block advertising on my Samsung TV. The television kept retrying to connect to their remote tracking servers, and drained 300K monthly requests in just two weeks.