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There is some evidence of fraud, substitution of native workers with H-1Bs, power imbalances and more playing a part in the labor market. A lot of Americans, in

There is some evidence of fraud, substitution of native workers with H-1Bs, power imbalances and more playing a part in the labor market. A lot of Americans, including in tech seem to be clamoring for less H-1Bs and immigrants, let them have it and see how it goes. Maybe it really will be better. It should be a win-win where India gets to keep more of its best talent and the US native population has less competition.

Herring 1y ago
Where are you getting "less competition"? The article clearly says that's not what happens. Study after study has shown that immigration generally has a net positive effect on the US job market. What'll probably happen is a spiral like in the US South and rural/republican areas. The economy keeps getting worse and people keep getting more hateful and anti-intellectual and self-destructive.
- zaptheimpaler 1y ago
  I don’t really know what the studies show or how accurately they represent the effect of restricting H-1B today. I do believe there is a chance it could help the native population, partly because a lot more Americans studied CS in the last few years after it became a prestigious and high-paying career compared to its usual immigrant dominated status. I'm tired of the constant slurs and hatred. It’s better for immigrants too to be turned away before getting a visa than live amongst people that hate them. I know many people believe that eliminating it would cause less competition and they have many anecdotes to back this up - including discrimination by some hiring managers, caste system stuff, poor work quality, etc etc. Ive seen enough evidence that this is not just a fake bot created trend - a lot of people really do not want immigrants. Democracy demands that the government run the experiment and gives the people what they want.
  - barrkel 1y ago
    That's a lot of evidence free speculation. "Many people believe", and you doubt any studies that show the opposite.
    - Herring 1y ago
      Meanwhile China is listening to their experts https://www.china-briefing.com/news/chinas-entry-exit-k-visa-rules-2025/ https://www.china-briefing.com/news/chinas-entry-exit-k-visa... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC8f1qs3TGs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC8f1qs3TGs That's life, I guess. There's an ancient Chinese saying: Wealth does not last beyond three generations. Too much easy money probably makes you stupid, like trust fund babies.
- insane_dreamer 1y ago
  H1B is not immigration. It’s a temporary work permit based that can be revoked at any time by your employer firing you.
  - dragonwriter 1y ago
    H-1b is not an immigrant visa but, because it is dual intent, it is frequently used as a part of the path to immigration but would-be immigrants, and the fact that H-1b immigrants disproportionately come from places where immigrant work- and family-based visas have long wait lists because of per-country caps has a positive feedback relationship with this, both contributing to it and being reinforced by it.
dilyevsky 1y ago
Under latest changes at least main audience of this forum - techies - will actually get more competition because more visas will go to tech applicants

Herring 1y ago

Where are you getting "less competition"? The article clearly says that's not what happens. Study after study has shown that immigration generally has a net positive effect on the US job market. What'll probably happen is a spiral like in the US South and rural/republican areas. The economy keeps getting worse and people keep getting more hateful and anti-intellectual and self-destructive.

zaptheimpaler 1y ago
I don’t really know what the studies show or how accurately they represent the effect of restricting H-1B today. I do believe there is a chance it could help the native population, partly because a lot more Americans studied CS in the last few years after it became a prestigious and high-paying career compared to its usual immigrant dominated status. I'm tired of the constant slurs and hatred. It’s better for immigrants too to be turned away before getting a visa than live amongst people that hate them. I know many people believe that eliminating it would cause less competition and they have many anecdotes to back this up - including discrimination by some hiring managers, caste system stuff, poor work quality, etc etc. Ive seen enough evidence that this is not just a fake bot created trend - a lot of people really do not want immigrants. Democracy demands that the government run the experiment and gives the people what they want.
- barrkel 1y ago
  That's a lot of evidence free speculation. "Many people believe", and you doubt any studies that show the opposite.
  - Herring 1y ago
    Meanwhile China is listening to their experts https://www.china-briefing.com/news/chinas-entry-exit-k-visa-rules-2025/ https://www.china-briefing.com/news/chinas-entry-exit-k-visa... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC8f1qs3TGs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC8f1qs3TGs That's life, I guess. There's an ancient Chinese saying: Wealth does not last beyond three generations. Too much easy money probably makes you stupid, like trust fund babies.
insane_dreamer 1y ago
H1B is not immigration. It’s a temporary work permit based that can be revoked at any time by your employer firing you.
- dragonwriter 1y ago
  H-1b is not an immigrant visa but, because it is dual intent, it is frequently used as a part of the path to immigration but would-be immigrants, and the fact that H-1b immigrants disproportionately come from places where immigrant work- and family-based visas have long wait lists because of per-country caps has a positive feedback relationship with this, both contributing to it and being reinforced by it.

dilyevsky 1y ago

Under latest changes at least main audience of this forum - techies - will actually get more competition because more visas will go to tech applicants