This is a very silly comparison. What is an executable? Do you consider dynamic libraries that it uses a part of it? Do you consider the language runtime a part

This is a very silly comparison. What is an executable? Do you consider dynamic libraries that it uses a part of it? Do you consider the language runtime a part of it? As an example, 12K for java is a ridiculous number. What's the size of the runtime required to run it? I bet it is larger than the 25MB for Common Lisp, but it doesn't get counted -- why? And if you're there, you need to define what your base runtime is -- is it the OS kernel? OS kernel + a set of base dynamic libraries? If so, which ones? Is glibc standard? glib? zlib?