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Why does software have to be part of the left wing or right wing?

6 points by sonderotis 1y ago

sonderotis 1y ago
I mean currently I see it alot with people trying to make forks of OSS just because of there political stand. I mean the reason to leave software should be because it is bad quality not because of someone. I mean why are you not open to people having different beliefs on something. So whats next? No software made by christians. I am not trying to justify devs actions but most of these movements act like sofware is used only in US and EU regions. I mean why are you forcing people to move from twitter because you do not like elon musk. I see this also in the linux community and alot of OSS projects its being pushed.
- JohnFen 1y ago
  OSS is a bit different because of the lack of profit-making, so I'm excluding that in my comment here. In general, I don't think there's anything at all wrong with deciding that the goals a person or company is working towards are so objectionable to you that you don't want to contribute to their income streams and thereby support those goals.
  - throwmeaway222 1y ago
    I mean it's divisive. When you divide people up, it creates more divide and hate. So have fun with that.
    - JohnFen 1y ago
      I don't see what's divisive about it. I'm not talking about evangelizing for or against anything, I'm talking about personal choices about what you want to contribute to. I don't see why people should feel obligated to support things that they think are wrong or dangerous.
      - ipaddr 1y ago
        Are you supporting the software or running a purity test for others involved. It seems backwards to leave a blogging platform project because other people helping make that blogging platform have different views. They might even use it to make a blog about something you wouldn't. They might say something dangerous like the right sucks or the left sucks. The internet was better without real names. The less people know about you the less prejudices you face.
  - sonderotis 1y ago
    I am not saying that if someone has poor leadership skills they should stand all I am saying is it should not be because of their beliefs. I mean why are they referencing his blog posts and not github issues of poorly handled pull requests. I mean why does the leader have to align with your faith. If this escaletes youll realize that people will discriminate patches of contribution because they came from some who is "muslim" or "christian".
  - dismalaf 1y ago
    Yeah there's nothing wrong with not supporting people you don't like. Fork and move on. However what the GitHub repo is an example of is straight up bullying. They're trying to force the Rails org to fall in line...
- dismalaf 1y ago
  > EU regions Which ones exactly? I live in an EU country (part time anyway) and DHH's views would be considered centrist at most... Edit: > So whats next? No software made by christians. Well, Matz is a devout Mormon, so hopefully all the crazy people realize this and just leave the Ruby community and ecosystem. Also, I wish these people would just fork and be done with it. Instead they try to bully others on social media.
  - sonderotis 1y ago
    can't pinpoint it. But I simply mentioned countries who have this sort of "left wing" vs "right wing" thing.
  - sleepyhead 1y ago
    > DHH's views would be considered centrist at most That's not very accurate.
    - dismalaf 1y ago
      Come to the Eastern part of the EU lol... It's an understatement if anything.
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throwmeaway222 1y ago
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- sonderotis 1y ago
  this will definately ruin software. I mean people act like this software is only used in EU and america. FOSS should be a time to contribute not nitpick each other's beliefs I mean.
dismalaf 1y ago
Why is the title editorialized? It's an attack on an individual, nothing to do with the current title...
- sonderotis 1y ago
  I am simply referencing. I am just asking why does OSS have to be based around this.
ChrisArchitect 1y ago
Title is: Plan Vert - an open letter to the Rails Core team and Ruby community
cocoricamo 1y ago
Because people are idiots and assholes. There are a bunch of radicalized idiots in FLOSS that want to impose their world view on everyone else and then have the balls to call anyone who disagrees fascist, nazi, or whatever term they can come up with. It's like when they were adding caveats to licenses in the vein of "if you believe this or that then you cannot use my software because you're trash" (paraphrasing, but similar enough). It's time we end up this shit. FLOSS is supposed to be about contribution and building something that's useful for all of us regardless of our political leaning. Instead we have assholes poisoning the well and idiots that follow them thinking that the monster they're creating is not going to eat them if they clap hard enough. This comment will probably get flagged but whatever.
- amdingo 1y ago
  I miss when FLOSS was basically apolitical and EVERYONE working towards something that can be used by ANYONE was absent all the purity tests, propaganda and BS.
  - cocoricamo 1y ago
    It wasn't apolitical, there were a lot of discussions about the nature and politics of OSS but it was never this radical. I remember a few fights in a few of my local LUG and communities that were very heated, but never death threats and almost always was online trash talking and in real life going back to being normal people with some snarky comments here and there.

6 points by sonderotis 1y ago

I mean currently I see it alot with people trying to make forks of OSS just because of there political stand. I mean the reason to leave software should be because it is bad quality not because of someone. I mean why are you not open to people having different beliefs on something. So whats next? No software made by christians. I am not trying to justify devs actions but most of these movements act like sofware is used only in US and EU regions. I mean why are you forcing people to move from twitter because you do not like elon musk. I see this also in the linux community and alot of OSS projects its being pushed.

JohnFen 1y ago
OSS is a bit different because of the lack of profit-making, so I'm excluding that in my comment here. In general, I don't think there's anything at all wrong with deciding that the goals a person or company is working towards are so objectionable to you that you don't want to contribute to their income streams and thereby support those goals.
- throwmeaway222 1y ago
  I mean it's divisive. When you divide people up, it creates more divide and hate. So have fun with that.
  - JohnFen 1y ago
    I don't see what's divisive about it. I'm not talking about evangelizing for or against anything, I'm talking about personal choices about what you want to contribute to. I don't see why people should feel obligated to support things that they think are wrong or dangerous.
    - ipaddr 1y ago
      Are you supporting the software or running a purity test for others involved. It seems backwards to leave a blogging platform project because other people helping make that blogging platform have different views. They might even use it to make a blog about something you wouldn't. They might say something dangerous like the right sucks or the left sucks. The internet was better without real names. The less people know about you the less prejudices you face.
- sonderotis 1y ago
  I am not saying that if someone has poor leadership skills they should stand all I am saying is it should not be because of their beliefs. I mean why are they referencing his blog posts and not github issues of poorly handled pull requests. I mean why does the leader have to align with your faith. If this escaletes youll realize that people will discriminate patches of contribution because they came from some who is "muslim" or "christian".
- dismalaf 1y ago
  Yeah there's nothing wrong with not supporting people you don't like. Fork and move on. However what the GitHub repo is an example of is straight up bullying. They're trying to force the Rails org to fall in line...
dismalaf 1y ago
> EU regions Which ones exactly? I live in an EU country (part time anyway) and DHH's views would be considered centrist at most... Edit: > So whats next? No software made by christians. Well, Matz is a devout Mormon, so hopefully all the crazy people realize this and just leave the Ruby community and ecosystem. Also, I wish these people would just fork and be done with it. Instead they try to bully others on social media.
- sonderotis 1y ago
  can't pinpoint it. But I simply mentioned countries who have this sort of "left wing" vs "right wing" thing.
- sleepyhead 1y ago
  > DHH's views would be considered centrist at most That's not very accurate.
  - dismalaf 1y ago
    Come to the Eastern part of the EU lol... It's an understatement if anything.
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throwmeaway222 1y ago

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sonderotis 1y ago
this will definately ruin software. I mean people act like this software is only used in EU and america. FOSS should be a time to contribute not nitpick each other's beliefs I mean.

dismalaf 1y ago

Why is the title editorialized? It's an attack on an individual, nothing to do with the current title...

sonderotis 1y ago
I am simply referencing. I am just asking why does OSS have to be based around this.

ChrisArchitect 1y ago

Title is: Plan Vert - an open letter to the Rails Core team and Ruby community

cocoricamo 1y ago

Because people are idiots and assholes. There are a bunch of radicalized idiots in FLOSS that want to impose their world view on everyone else and then have the balls to call anyone who disagrees fascist, nazi, or whatever term they can come up with. It's like when they were adding caveats to licenses in the vein of "if you believe this or that then you cannot use my software because you're trash" (paraphrasing, but similar enough). It's time we end up this shit. FLOSS is supposed to be about contribution and building something that's useful for all of us regardless of our political leaning. Instead we have assholes poisoning the well and idiots that follow them thinking that the monster they're creating is not going to eat them if they clap hard enough. This comment will probably get flagged but whatever.

amdingo 1y ago
I miss when FLOSS was basically apolitical and EVERYONE working towards something that can be used by ANYONE was absent all the purity tests, propaganda and BS.
- cocoricamo 1y ago
  It wasn't apolitical, there were a lot of discussions about the nature and politics of OSS but it was never this radical. I remember a few fights in a few of my local LUG and communities that were very heated, but never death threats and almost always was online trash talking and in real life going back to being normal people with some snarky comments here and there.