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> No, [journalists] know what they are doing ... Carefully calibrated, highly-selective use of (often, quite awkward) linguistic constructs does not happen unco

> No, [journalists] know what they are doing ... Carefully calibrated, highly-selective use of (often, quite awkward) linguistic constructs does not happen unconsciously, it is a deliberate, knowing choice. The incredible vast majority of people in the world are acting in good faith. The way you are framing this is that nearly all journalists are acting in bad faith, which makes me believe the arguments of the parent ("The journalists don't think they're writing these stories to amplify the police narrative") more so than the argument you're making here.

dragonwriter 1y ago
> The incredible vast majority of people in the world are acting in good faith. Maybe, maybe not. It is also true that the incredible vast majority of people in the world aren’t corporate journalists, also. > The way you are framing this is that nearly all journalists are acting in bad faith Nearly all American corporate media has a conscious, top-down policy starting with the owners and editorial board to favor certain institutions, which is enforced by hiring, firing, promotions, and assignments of staff. The specific beneficiaries of this vary somewhat between outlet and outlet and over time, but both American police broadly and State of Israel are common beneficiaries across most outlets. Journalists either comply are they aren’t journalists in the corporate media covering the issues to which these biases are relevant for long. Corporate media journalists aren’t independent actors.
2THFairy 1y ago
The problem is that it is essentially impossible for a journalist to exist in the western world and not have heard of the criticism about how cops' actions get reported. The term 'past exonerative tense' is dated to 1991.'"Mistakes were made" was popularized by Nixon. To continue pulling this nonsense is wilful ignorance on the journalists' part, and effectively equivalent to bad faith.
GeoAtreides 1y ago
>The incredible vast majority of people in the world are acting in good faith. this a very westerner perspective on society. Ask an Eastern European (like myself) how the vast majority of people are really acting.
- breppp 1y ago
  How well has that worked for East Europe?
  - GeoAtreides 1y ago
    Really well, thanks for asking
- chairmansteve 1y ago
  Can you elaborate?
istjohn 1y ago
> The incredible vast majority of people in the world are acting in good faith. We have fundamentally different priors.
- chrononaut 1y ago
  Which areas or circumstances are you observing otherwise?
  - istjohn 1y ago
    I see routine bad faith in: - politicians of both parties (eg, speaking disingenously on issues of relevance to their corporate sponsors) - corporations - judges, including in the Supreme Court, who abandon espoused judicial philosophies the moment they conflict with political expediency - government administrators, much more so with Trump's appointments - media organizations (The self-censorship of coverage around Gaza has been eye-opening.)
pauldelany 1y ago
Chomksy to Marr: "...I'm sure you believe everything you're saying, but ... if you believed something different, you wouldn't be sitting where you're sitting." https://youtu.be/GjENnyQupow?t=597&feature=shared https://youtu.be/GjENnyQupow?t=597&feature=shared

dragonwriter 1y ago

> The incredible vast majority of people in the world are acting in good faith. Maybe, maybe not. It is also true that the incredible vast majority of people in the world aren’t corporate journalists, also. > The way you are framing this is that nearly all journalists are acting in bad faith Nearly all American corporate media has a conscious, top-down policy starting with the owners and editorial board to favor certain institutions, which is enforced by hiring, firing, promotions, and assignments of staff. The specific beneficiaries of this vary somewhat between outlet and outlet and over time, but both American police broadly and State of Israel are common beneficiaries across most outlets. Journalists either comply are they aren’t journalists in the corporate media covering the issues to which these biases are relevant for long. Corporate media journalists aren’t independent actors.

2THFairy 1y ago

The problem is that it is essentially impossible for a journalist to exist in the western world and not have heard of the criticism about how cops' actions get reported. The term 'past exonerative tense' is dated to 1991.'"Mistakes were made" was popularized by Nixon. To continue pulling this nonsense is wilful ignorance on the journalists' part, and effectively equivalent to bad faith.

GeoAtreides 1y ago

>The incredible vast majority of people in the world are acting in good faith. this a very westerner perspective on society. Ask an Eastern European (like myself) how the vast majority of people are really acting.

breppp 1y ago
How well has that worked for East Europe?
- GeoAtreides 1y ago
  Really well, thanks for asking
chairmansteve 1y ago
Can you elaborate?

istjohn 1y ago

> The incredible vast majority of people in the world are acting in good faith. We have fundamentally different priors.

chrononaut 1y ago
Which areas or circumstances are you observing otherwise?
- istjohn 1y ago
  I see routine bad faith in: - politicians of both parties (eg, speaking disingenously on issues of relevance to their corporate sponsors) - corporations - judges, including in the Supreme Court, who abandon espoused judicial philosophies the moment they conflict with political expediency - government administrators, much more so with Trump's appointments - media organizations (The self-censorship of coverage around Gaza has been eye-opening.)

pauldelany 1y ago

Chomksy to Marr: "...I'm sure you believe everything you're saying, but ... if you believed something different, you wouldn't be sitting where you're sitting." https://youtu.be/GjENnyQupow?t=597&feature=shared https://youtu.be/GjENnyQupow?t=597&feature=shared