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This falls into the endless list of "remember you voted for this". With the ever present caveat that, no, clearly not everyone did, but he got more votes than a

This falls into the endless list of "remember you voted for this". With the ever present caveat that, no, clearly not everyone did, but he got more votes than anyone else. And it's not like this is a surprise. He campaigned with RFK. Kennedy's views on vaccines are well known. Trumps ability to do "medical" was amply demonstrated in his first term. This is exactly what he campaigned on, and exactly what voters were presumably hoping for. They looked at the options and said, "yeah, let's have some more of this".

timmg 1y ago
> This falls into the endless list of "remember you voted for this". I think, to be fair, there are only two parties. You can only vote for one "package" of policies. Maybe you are a one-issue voter or maybe you weigh all the different positions of the candidates to find the one who aligns most with you. I don't think it is accurate to say that all the people who voted for Trump approve of any individual policies -- like this one. So they are allowed to be as upset as anyone else about this stuff.
- bruce511 1y ago
  I'll upvote you for at least laying out a coherent argument. But you're right. A lot of voters weighed the set of policies and decided that mass deportations, suspension of due process, tarifing imports to raise domestic prices, slashing federal agencies like the EPA and CDC, muzzling free speech at universities and on TV, grifting for personal gain at every opportunity, all of which was explicitly spoken about during the campaign, was ok to get their single-issue promoted. So yeah, lots of people voted for this. For all I know those same people think it's going just fine. Which brings us back to, "just remember, you voted for this."
  - timmg 1y ago
    I don't know, man. Did Biden voters vote for high inflation and open borders? Did they vote for 50% tariffs on solar panels? I was a Biden voter and I didn't.
    - archagon 1y ago
      Biden did not have magic powers to preempt the runoff effects from the pandemic. (If anything, the actions of his administration helped get inflation under control by the end of his term.) And to claim the borders were “open” is just propaganda.
- doom2 1y ago
  > So they are allowed to be as upset as anyone else about this stuff. My issue with this take is the lack of evidence. I don't read about Trump voters calling their reps to try and push back (and let's be real, most Republican members of Congress these days would likely dismiss such constituents as being "paid protestors" or something). I haven't seen Trump voters out protesting against some part of the administration's policy. I _have_ seen anonymous reddit users in a Trump related subreddit say, "yeah, don't agree with this at all". Which leaves me wondering: how upset are they, really?
shermantanktop 1y ago
Or maybe "let's not have more of that." In a two-party system, if things are not going well, being the party out of power provides a significant advantage. Combine that with short memories and the irrational hope that a leader might have become more stable, and that's enough for some voters.
BergAndCo 1y ago
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timmg 1y ago

> This falls into the endless list of "remember you voted for this". I think, to be fair, there are only two parties. You can only vote for one "package" of policies. Maybe you are a one-issue voter or maybe you weigh all the different positions of the candidates to find the one who aligns most with you. I don't think it is accurate to say that all the people who voted for Trump approve of any individual policies -- like this one. So they are allowed to be as upset as anyone else about this stuff.

bruce511 1y ago
I'll upvote you for at least laying out a coherent argument. But you're right. A lot of voters weighed the set of policies and decided that mass deportations, suspension of due process, tarifing imports to raise domestic prices, slashing federal agencies like the EPA and CDC, muzzling free speech at universities and on TV, grifting for personal gain at every opportunity, all of which was explicitly spoken about during the campaign, was ok to get their single-issue promoted. So yeah, lots of people voted for this. For all I know those same people think it's going just fine. Which brings us back to, "just remember, you voted for this."
- timmg 1y ago
  I don't know, man. Did Biden voters vote for high inflation and open borders? Did they vote for 50% tariffs on solar panels? I was a Biden voter and I didn't.
  - archagon 1y ago
    Biden did not have magic powers to preempt the runoff effects from the pandemic. (If anything, the actions of his administration helped get inflation under control by the end of his term.) And to claim the borders were “open” is just propaganda.
doom2 1y ago
> So they are allowed to be as upset as anyone else about this stuff. My issue with this take is the lack of evidence. I don't read about Trump voters calling their reps to try and push back (and let's be real, most Republican members of Congress these days would likely dismiss such constituents as being "paid protestors" or something). I haven't seen Trump voters out protesting against some part of the administration's policy. I _have_ seen anonymous reddit users in a Trump related subreddit say, "yeah, don't agree with this at all". Which leaves me wondering: how upset are they, really?

shermantanktop 1y ago

Or maybe "let's not have more of that." In a two-party system, if things are not going well, being the party out of power provides a significant advantage. Combine that with short memories and the irrational hope that a leader might have become more stable, and that's enough for some voters.

BergAndCo 1y ago

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