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How many WTF moments do we need from our president before he loses support from 90% of Americans? Do people just not care? Or do they really believe the lies an

How many WTF moments do we need from our president before he loses support from 90% of Americans? Do people just not care? Or do they really believe the lies and crazy justifications? Or maybe they think it's worth the tradeoff? I worry for our future. As it stands, it is looking to be very, very bleak.

nemomarx 1y ago
Do you think most people actually hear his speeches directly or know these things? I'm sure when it's chopped up in the right sound bites it's fine.
- turkishdelight 1y ago
  I mostly know Trump through news sites like AP and Reuters. I heard one of his speeches after a flight accident early in his term though and he was blaming retards and amputee midgets for the collisions. Didn't see any mention of that in the news.
  - sjsdaiuasgdia 1y ago
    The sanewashing is pretty bad. The headline probably reduced it to "Trump speaks out on aviation safety".
  - tzs 1y ago
    He was blaming it on DEI, and listed some of the groups he claimed were hired via DEI programs for air traffic control. Most mainstream news covered him blaming DEI and and most mentioned specifically people with disabilities. Many didn't go into the laundry list of specific disabilities Trump mentioned.
- baby_souffle 1y ago
  > Do you think most people actually hear his speeches directly or know these things? I'm sure when it's chopped up in the right sound bites it's fine. Exactly this. We no longer have a grand total of 3 TV channels; it's a conscious choice to tune to fox news and consume that rage-bate-as-a-distraction. As long as it's profitable to offer up "bespoke" views of the world to individuals, there's next to no hope of those individuals being able to galvanize under a common and shared set of facts and that's a per-requistie for any sort of mass protest/change.
etchalon 1y ago
It's worse than "they don't care." It's that they do care, and think he's doing a bang up job.
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s5300 1y ago
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canadiantim 1y ago
What are your thoughts on Tylenol themselves warning against the use of Tylenol while pregnant? https://x.com/tylenol/status/839196906702127106 https://x.com/tylenol/status/839196906702127106
- jayd16 1y ago
  Not recommending is Cover Your Ass phrasing. It's not a recommendation against. Listen to your doctor.
- daveoc64 1y ago
  An obscure tweet is not medical advice. In the official product information sheets, they state that you should consult with a medical professional before using it during pregnancy. A competent medical professional will tell you that it's OK to use in most cases.
  - canadiantim 1y ago
    It’s a statement from the manufacturer about how the product should be used. It should definitely be considered. A competent medical professional I’m sure will make their own judgement call which may be that it’s not okay to use while pregnant. We should leave that up to the medical professionals, but I’m glad the recent press conference helps raise awareness for medical professionals to consider.
orochimaaru 1y ago
I think the democrats squandered opportunities post 2021. To regain people’s trust they need to: 1. Have actual democratic primaries and get rid of their super delegates. 2. Advocate for the rights of American citizens and not of those streaming illegally across the borders. 3. Protect American industry and labor. This doesn’t just mean propping up unions - it means making an actual effort to bring industry back to the US. The rest is just theatre. So this autism declaration, or trans baiting is just the sideshow. IMHO - the those are the three main things for me to start considering the democrats again.
- tempfile 1y ago
  > Advocate for the rights of American citizens and not of those streaming illegally across the borders. Yes, indeed, if the democrats were only more performatively cruel to illegal immigrants then I am sure they would win more elections. Why even tack that comment at the end? Do you really think democrats are supporting illegal immigrants at the expense of Americans?
  - orochimaaru 1y ago
    Yes. They are. The very fact that you had such a flood of people coming across the border from 2021-2024, were given asylum and funding to remain in the US means democrats are supporting them at the expense of citizens.
    - AnimalMuppet 1y ago
      True, but to be fair the stream didn't start in 2021.
      - orochimaaru 1y ago
        It actually did. It was stopped by Trump by adding remain in Mexico restrictions during Covid. The Democrats just needed to find a way to extend that instead of lifting it. Granted the Obama years and years before were an issue as well. But Obama was a lot more efficient at deportation. Tom Homan was obama’s top person for removal.
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wyldfire 1y ago
As long as he makes the woke people and brown people suffer, he can do no wrong.
dostick 1y ago
Because of Goldwater thing people don’t discuss it, but really there should be a legislation for mandatory mental evaluation for people in positions of power. Bus drivers and airline pilots get mental evaluations, and they are only responsible for two hundred people at a time. Yet person responsible for whole country can have any mental illness.
- dragonwriter 1y ago
  > Because of Goldwater thing people don’t discuss it, but really there should be a legislation for mandatory mental evaluation for people in positions of power. No, the reason people don’t discuss this is that the next question is “so you have a mandatory evaluateion, what are the consequences, and who selects the evaluator?” And you very quickly realize that any proposal is either: (a) adding nothing substantive that isn't already covered by existing provisions allowing for removing people for incapacity, or (b) creating a new and unaccountable seat of power, or (c) designing a replacement (which may be an improvement!) for the processes discussed in (a) to which the evaluation mandate is a jumping off point that turns out to be superfluous. Also, you realize that to effect anything with any consequences for the Presidency and some other offices, legislation doesn’t work, you need a Constitutional Amendment.
Rebuff5007 1y ago
I think the problem is that too many people do not know or care or respect how institutional knowledge works. And how to build it, and why so many of the things we take for granted is the result of subject matter experts iterating on real world problems for decades. No one is defending the NIH or Fauci or the math department at UCLA in a way that makes sense to a majority of Americans... Why these are even under attack in the first place is beyond me.
orionsbelt 1y ago
Trump’s success is largely a reaction. The democrats need to change and run a compelling alternative, and I see no evidence that will happen any time soon. The democrats and the left have, among other issues: - refused to run legitimate primaries, instead propping up Hillary when she was unpopular, Biden when he was senile, and Kamala when she was also unpopular and a clearly bad candidate - wasted a lot of goodwill advocating for policies that are unpopular with the center of the country, including trans in woman sports, the border, and crime - ignored, minimized or outright spoke down to half the country (the “deplorables”) - spent decades advocating globalization and ignoring the economic effects on half the country What compelling democratic candidate is there to run in 2028? What is the compelling Democratic vision? The only fresh new charismatic faces I see are AOC and Mamdani; and while I think they are impressive politicians, those types of policies will not win over the center of the country and would lose in any national elections.
- tastyface 1y ago
  If senility was a dealbreaker, Trump would not have won. The things that come out of his mouth are literally insane. And I don’t know what the center of the country looks like, either. If the center favored careful, conservative policies, Trump would not have won. Politics no longer make sense to me. I say Democrats should just run the candidate with the most charisma and fuck everything else.
  - orionsbelt 1y ago
    Compared to past standards, Trump and Biden were arguably both too old to run in 2020 and had obvious signs of age-related cognitive decline. But they were regular old, not senile. Biden clearly got much worse throughout his presidency, declining to a level that was obviously too far, even for the left. Trump is not there yet, although I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets there during his presidency. “Politics no longer make sense to me. I say Democrats should just run the candidate with the most charisma and fuck everything else.” Personally, I think they should focus on running candidates that have the best chance of winning. Politics is a competition!
rich_sasha 1y ago
I guess it shows that the society we thought existed, actually didn't exist. We thought we live in a world of science, reason and kindness. Sure, not everyone is a scientist, or understands it all, but somehow we have recast the mediaeval human into someone who instinctively believes in experiments and peer reviewed papers, not pagan rites and magic. But I think this must have actually disappeared a long time ago and we just didn't notice. There was no one combining charisma, credibility and the willingness to build support out of setting science on fire. I'm not even really picking on the US here, I think the rest of the West is not much better. I'm not a doomer though. I'm sure we can turn it around, or rather that we will bounce back, sooner or later. I just hope it will be a conscious effort rather than a reaction to being utterly burned, like the changes that came from the two world wars.

nemomarx 1y ago

Do you think most people actually hear his speeches directly or know these things? I'm sure when it's chopped up in the right sound bites it's fine.

turkishdelight 1y ago
I mostly know Trump through news sites like AP and Reuters. I heard one of his speeches after a flight accident early in his term though and he was blaming retards and amputee midgets for the collisions. Didn't see any mention of that in the news.
- sjsdaiuasgdia 1y ago
  The sanewashing is pretty bad. The headline probably reduced it to "Trump speaks out on aviation safety".
- tzs 1y ago
  He was blaming it on DEI, and listed some of the groups he claimed were hired via DEI programs for air traffic control. Most mainstream news covered him blaming DEI and and most mentioned specifically people with disabilities. Many didn't go into the laundry list of specific disabilities Trump mentioned.
baby_souffle 1y ago
> Do you think most people actually hear his speeches directly or know these things? I'm sure when it's chopped up in the right sound bites it's fine. Exactly this. We no longer have a grand total of 3 TV channels; it's a conscious choice to tune to fox news and consume that rage-bate-as-a-distraction. As long as it's profitable to offer up "bespoke" views of the world to individuals, there's next to no hope of those individuals being able to galvanize under a common and shared set of facts and that's a per-requistie for any sort of mass protest/change.

etchalon 1y ago

It's worse than "they don't care." It's that they do care, and think he's doing a bang up job.

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canadiantim 1y ago

What are your thoughts on Tylenol themselves warning against the use of Tylenol while pregnant? https://x.com/tylenol/status/839196906702127106 https://x.com/tylenol/status/839196906702127106

jayd16 1y ago
Not recommending is Cover Your Ass phrasing. It's not a recommendation against. Listen to your doctor.
daveoc64 1y ago
An obscure tweet is not medical advice. In the official product information sheets, they state that you should consult with a medical professional before using it during pregnancy. A competent medical professional will tell you that it's OK to use in most cases.
- canadiantim 1y ago
  It’s a statement from the manufacturer about how the product should be used. It should definitely be considered. A competent medical professional I’m sure will make their own judgement call which may be that it’s not okay to use while pregnant. We should leave that up to the medical professionals, but I’m glad the recent press conference helps raise awareness for medical professionals to consider.

orochimaaru 1y ago

I think the democrats squandered opportunities post 2021. To regain people’s trust they need to: 1. Have actual democratic primaries and get rid of their super delegates. 2. Advocate for the rights of American citizens and not of those streaming illegally across the borders. 3. Protect American industry and labor. This doesn’t just mean propping up unions - it means making an actual effort to bring industry back to the US. The rest is just theatre. So this autism declaration, or trans baiting is just the sideshow. IMHO - the those are the three main things for me to start considering the democrats again.

tempfile 1y ago
> Advocate for the rights of American citizens and not of those streaming illegally across the borders. Yes, indeed, if the democrats were only more performatively cruel to illegal immigrants then I am sure they would win more elections. Why even tack that comment at the end? Do you really think democrats are supporting illegal immigrants at the expense of Americans?
- orochimaaru 1y ago
  Yes. They are. The very fact that you had such a flood of people coming across the border from 2021-2024, were given asylum and funding to remain in the US means democrats are supporting them at the expense of citizens.
  - AnimalMuppet 1y ago
    True, but to be fair the stream didn't start in 2021.
    - orochimaaru 1y ago
      It actually did. It was stopped by Trump by adding remain in Mexico restrictions during Covid. The Democrats just needed to find a way to extend that instead of lifting it. Granted the Obama years and years before were an issue as well. But Obama was a lot more efficient at deportation. Tom Homan was obama’s top person for removal.

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wyldfire 1y ago

As long as he makes the woke people and brown people suffer, he can do no wrong.

dostick 1y ago

Because of Goldwater thing people don’t discuss it, but really there should be a legislation for mandatory mental evaluation for people in positions of power. Bus drivers and airline pilots get mental evaluations, and they are only responsible for two hundred people at a time. Yet person responsible for whole country can have any mental illness.

dragonwriter 1y ago
> Because of Goldwater thing people don’t discuss it, but really there should be a legislation for mandatory mental evaluation for people in positions of power. No, the reason people don’t discuss this is that the next question is “so you have a mandatory evaluateion, what are the consequences, and who selects the evaluator?” And you very quickly realize that any proposal is either: (a) adding nothing substantive that isn't already covered by existing provisions allowing for removing people for incapacity, or (b) creating a new and unaccountable seat of power, or (c) designing a replacement (which may be an improvement!) for the processes discussed in (a) to which the evaluation mandate is a jumping off point that turns out to be superfluous. Also, you realize that to effect anything with any consequences for the Presidency and some other offices, legislation doesn’t work, you need a Constitutional Amendment.

Rebuff5007 1y ago

I think the problem is that too many people do not know or care or respect how institutional knowledge works. And how to build it, and why so many of the things we take for granted is the result of subject matter experts iterating on real world problems for decades. No one is defending the NIH or Fauci or the math department at UCLA in a way that makes sense to a majority of Americans... Why these are even under attack in the first place is beyond me.

orionsbelt 1y ago

Trump’s success is largely a reaction. The democrats need to change and run a compelling alternative, and I see no evidence that will happen any time soon. The democrats and the left have, among other issues: - refused to run legitimate primaries, instead propping up Hillary when she was unpopular, Biden when he was senile, and Kamala when she was also unpopular and a clearly bad candidate - wasted a lot of goodwill advocating for policies that are unpopular with the center of the country, including trans in woman sports, the border, and crime - ignored, minimized or outright spoke down to half the country (the “deplorables”) - spent decades advocating globalization and ignoring the economic effects on half the country What compelling democratic candidate is there to run in 2028? What is the compelling Democratic vision? The only fresh new charismatic faces I see are AOC and Mamdani; and while I think they are impressive politicians, those types of policies will not win over the center of the country and would lose in any national elections.

tastyface 1y ago
If senility was a dealbreaker, Trump would not have won. The things that come out of his mouth are literally insane. And I don’t know what the center of the country looks like, either. If the center favored careful, conservative policies, Trump would not have won. Politics no longer make sense to me. I say Democrats should just run the candidate with the most charisma and fuck everything else.
- orionsbelt 1y ago
  Compared to past standards, Trump and Biden were arguably both too old to run in 2020 and had obvious signs of age-related cognitive decline. But they were regular old, not senile. Biden clearly got much worse throughout his presidency, declining to a level that was obviously too far, even for the left. Trump is not there yet, although I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets there during his presidency. “Politics no longer make sense to me. I say Democrats should just run the candidate with the most charisma and fuck everything else.” Personally, I think they should focus on running candidates that have the best chance of winning. Politics is a competition!

rich_sasha 1y ago

I guess it shows that the society we thought existed, actually didn't exist. We thought we live in a world of science, reason and kindness. Sure, not everyone is a scientist, or understands it all, but somehow we have recast the mediaeval human into someone who instinctively believes in experiments and peer reviewed papers, not pagan rites and magic. But I think this must have actually disappeared a long time ago and we just didn't notice. There was no one combining charisma, credibility and the willingness to build support out of setting science on fire. I'm not even really picking on the US here, I think the rest of the West is not much better. I'm not a doomer though. I'm sure we can turn it around, or rather that we will bounce back, sooner or later. I just hope it will be a conscious effort rather than a reaction to being utterly burned, like the changes that came from the two world wars.