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by pointing your phone at it by screenshotting it and copying the text out of the screenshot by putting a screenshot itself into chatgpt I'm curious what rea

by pointing your phone at it by screenshotting it and copying the text out of the screenshot by putting a screenshot itself into chatgpt I'm curious what real world scenario you've imagined yourself in with a kanji button that you don't understand within the rest of a website in kanji that you do understand, but don't know how to type kanji?

klausa 1y ago
Would you say any of these are "not that onerous" compared to copying the character? The argument here isn't that it's _impossible_ to do that with copying disabled, it's that it's _more annoying_. By providing a list of _more annoying_ ways to do something, you're reinforcing the argument, not refuting it.
- fkyoureadthedoc 1y ago
  yes it's absolutely just as easy to screenshot something to my clipboard and paste it, as to try and select text from a button without clicking it. yes it's absolutely just as easy to point my phone's translate app at the button. any more questions?
  - klausa 1y ago
    We seem to have very different concepts of either what is "easy" or fine motor skills. I also find it rather difficult to point my phone at itself when trying to translate a word it's currently displaying; but maybe that's also a skill issue.
    - fkyoureadthedoc 1y ago
      good thing it can take a screenshot then
      - kobebrookskC3 1y ago
        not if the app blocks screenshots
        fkyoureadthedoc 1y ago
        The app in this discussion is the internet browser, which does not. You guys are reaching so far that you've fallen off the chair at this point.
  - Arainach 1y ago
    One involves clicking just before the button and dragging to just after the button (or vice versa). The other involves opening a screenshot tool, selecting a rectangle, going to a website (that I might have to pay for?), pasting the image, waiting some seconds to cause global warming, getting some text back, clicking just after that text to just before that text. How is that a similar level of effort? The first I could walk someone who had never used a computer through over the phone in 1995. The second I wouldn't want to walk some of my coworkers through today.
    - fkyoureadthedoc 1y ago
      I consider this a bad faith comment given the amount of detail you described taking a screenshot vs copying the text. Anyway, it's not a noteworthy amount of effort, no. If your text selection of the button was blocked, which is the whole point of this discussion, the other methods would be a fine alternative. Or would you give up because it's too much effort? I just tried both on the reply button for this very comment box. > One involves clicking just before the button and dragging to just after the button (or vice versa) This didn't work. Text is not selectable. Do you know why it doesn't work? Because user-select: none is the default user agent style on input[type=submit]. How about the screenshot? - keyboard shortcut for screenshot - click and drag - click chatgpt tab - keyboard shortcut for paste How about the phone app? - open translate app - tap camera - point at button Again, neither of these were a noteworthy amount of effort.

klausa 1y ago

Would you say any of these are "not that onerous" compared to copying the character? The argument here isn't that it's _impossible_ to do that with copying disabled, it's that it's _more annoying_. By providing a list of _more annoying_ ways to do something, you're reinforcing the argument, not refuting it.

fkyoureadthedoc 1y ago
yes it's absolutely just as easy to screenshot something to my clipboard and paste it, as to try and select text from a button without clicking it. yes it's absolutely just as easy to point my phone's translate app at the button. any more questions?
- klausa 1y ago
  We seem to have very different concepts of either what is "easy" or fine motor skills. I also find it rather difficult to point my phone at itself when trying to translate a word it's currently displaying; but maybe that's also a skill issue.
  - fkyoureadthedoc 1y ago
    good thing it can take a screenshot then
    - kobebrookskC3 1y ago
      not if the app blocks screenshots
      - fkyoureadthedoc 1y ago
        The app in this discussion is the internet browser, which does not. You guys are reaching so far that you've fallen off the chair at this point.
- Arainach 1y ago
  One involves clicking just before the button and dragging to just after the button (or vice versa). The other involves opening a screenshot tool, selecting a rectangle, going to a website (that I might have to pay for?), pasting the image, waiting some seconds to cause global warming, getting some text back, clicking just after that text to just before that text. How is that a similar level of effort? The first I could walk someone who had never used a computer through over the phone in 1995. The second I wouldn't want to walk some of my coworkers through today.
  - fkyoureadthedoc 1y ago
    I consider this a bad faith comment given the amount of detail you described taking a screenshot vs copying the text. Anyway, it's not a noteworthy amount of effort, no. If your text selection of the button was blocked, which is the whole point of this discussion, the other methods would be a fine alternative. Or would you give up because it's too much effort? I just tried both on the reply button for this very comment box. > One involves clicking just before the button and dragging to just after the button (or vice versa) This didn't work. Text is not selectable. Do you know why it doesn't work? Because user-select: none is the default user agent style on input[type=submit]. How about the screenshot? - keyboard shortcut for screenshot - click and drag - click chatgpt tab - keyboard shortcut for paste How about the phone app? - open translate app - tap camera - point at button Again, neither of these were a noteworthy amount of effort.