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The wallet app can be started using a QR code. You can then finish the verification on your phone and continue on the desktop website/app/whatever.

by Aaargh20318 1y ago

snickerdoodle14 1y ago
How can I do this when I don't have a phone?
- ToucanLoucan 1y ago
  Don't you people have phones? Edit: Sorry that reference was a deep cut, I was quoting the devs of that awful Diablo mobile game way back.
  - debazel 1y ago
    A phone isn't enough, you need an Apple or Google account as well. So if your Google account gets banned, you might as well just jump of a bridge because it's over for you.
    - shmel 1y ago
      That is easy to solve though. If Apple/Google become essentially an utility, they are legally mandated to provide an account for any EU citizen =)
      - 1over137 1y ago
        You want companies based in a country threatening to take over parts of the EU (Greenland) as being required for everything you do in society?
  - Imustaskforhelp 1y ago
    No? I had been with dumb phone for almost a year from like 2024-25? What point are you trying to make as I think that there are some good dumb phones in the market which even support things like signal. I used to use the messaging app through SMS tho, the people that knew me (that 1 friend gets a shoutout here who used to msg me through SMS in the world of whatsapp and my mom!!) Most phones are used for two things that my father used to quote: Whatsapp (messaging app) and youtube(social media) Entertainment could somewhat be offloaded via music player etc. into dumb phones and to be really honest, I think that even things like hackernews could be operated on those dumb phones if given the ability to. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdYrBpBJRI4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdYrBpBJRI4 : this is the dumbphone which supports signal btw. Wish there was a way to make app for dumbphones like these just as how we can make apps for androids. I was shocked by how much feature packed my chinese dumb phone was for 11.27$ lol. It just didn't have internet & yeah games as well.
  - slackfan 1y ago
    For what it's worth, I chortled.
  - tmtvl 1y ago
    Was it Diablo? I thought it was Dungeon Keeper.
    - ToucanLoucan 1y ago
      Diablo Immortal, 2018. (How the fuck was that 7 years ago already Christ…)
hellojesus 1y ago
What if you don't have a phone? Or what if your phone runs a custom rom and can't pass google's attlestation?
- Imustaskforhelp 1y ago
  "Google, google everywhere. It's attestation is gonna be a nightmare." Idk I created this just right now lol. But on a serious note, Maybe check out my comment on something known as the android_translation_layer with flatpak to see if that might help to run that app atleast in linux. Linking it here : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45361397 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45361397
- Aaargh20318 1y ago
  Then you can't use this method of identification, just like you can't use it now. Surely it won't be the only way to identify yourself online. If this provides a frictionless way to do this for 95% of people then it's already a huge win. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
  - debazel 1y ago
    No, this is worse because it solidifies Apple/Google's duopoly over the smart phone market even more than it already is. Not only that, but having this locked behind something that works for 95% of users means the other 5% will never have enough leverage for any other implementations to be approved. Which is absolutely unacceptable for such an essential feature like age verification.
  - Saline9515 1y ago
    The requirement for age id is already stupid. The target, which are the children who access "forbidden" websites without authorization is likely to be lower than amount of people who won't be able to access due to those narrow specs.
  - hellojesus 1y ago
    Why can't we continue with an open web standard? We should have complete interoperability regardless of whether I'm using a google smartphone or a custom os I wrote in my garage or bsd or nixos. That is the entire point of web standards: to create the ability to communicate with one-another regardless of system design, so long as standards are properly implemented. This is a general computing crisis.
alerighi 1y ago
This is plain stupid. Countries (e.g. where I live) already have systems like SPID or CIE that can authenticate users using a multitude of factors, for example I can authenticate myself with a QR and a phone, or I can not even have a phone at all and have a 20 euros NFC reader connected to the PC and can authenticate using my digital document and a PIN. I see this as a huge stepback to be fair.

The wallet app can be started using a QR code. You can then finish the verification on your phone and continue on the desktop website/app/whatever.

snickerdoodle14 1y ago

How can I do this when I don't have a phone?

ToucanLoucan 1y ago
Don't you people have phones? Edit: Sorry that reference was a deep cut, I was quoting the devs of that awful Diablo mobile game way back.
- debazel 1y ago
  A phone isn't enough, you need an Apple or Google account as well. So if your Google account gets banned, you might as well just jump of a bridge because it's over for you.
  - shmel 1y ago
    That is easy to solve though. If Apple/Google become essentially an utility, they are legally mandated to provide an account for any EU citizen =)
    - 1over137 1y ago
      You want companies based in a country threatening to take over parts of the EU (Greenland) as being required for everything you do in society?
- Imustaskforhelp 1y ago
  No? I had been with dumb phone for almost a year from like 2024-25? What point are you trying to make as I think that there are some good dumb phones in the market which even support things like signal. I used to use the messaging app through SMS tho, the people that knew me (that 1 friend gets a shoutout here who used to msg me through SMS in the world of whatsapp and my mom!!) Most phones are used for two things that my father used to quote: Whatsapp (messaging app) and youtube(social media) Entertainment could somewhat be offloaded via music player etc. into dumb phones and to be really honest, I think that even things like hackernews could be operated on those dumb phones if given the ability to. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdYrBpBJRI4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdYrBpBJRI4 : this is the dumbphone which supports signal btw. Wish there was a way to make app for dumbphones like these just as how we can make apps for androids. I was shocked by how much feature packed my chinese dumb phone was for 11.27$ lol. It just didn't have internet & yeah games as well.
- slackfan 1y ago
  For what it's worth, I chortled.
- tmtvl 1y ago
  Was it Diablo? I thought it was Dungeon Keeper.
  - ToucanLoucan 1y ago
    Diablo Immortal, 2018. (How the fuck was that 7 years ago already Christ…)

hellojesus 1y ago

What if you don't have a phone? Or what if your phone runs a custom rom and can't pass google's attlestation?

Imustaskforhelp 1y ago
"Google, google everywhere. It's attestation is gonna be a nightmare." Idk I created this just right now lol. But on a serious note, Maybe check out my comment on something known as the android_translation_layer with flatpak to see if that might help to run that app atleast in linux. Linking it here : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45361397 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45361397
Aaargh20318 1y ago
Then you can't use this method of identification, just like you can't use it now. Surely it won't be the only way to identify yourself online. If this provides a frictionless way to do this for 95% of people then it's already a huge win. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
- debazel 1y ago
  No, this is worse because it solidifies Apple/Google's duopoly over the smart phone market even more than it already is. Not only that, but having this locked behind something that works for 95% of users means the other 5% will never have enough leverage for any other implementations to be approved. Which is absolutely unacceptable for such an essential feature like age verification.
- Saline9515 1y ago
  The requirement for age id is already stupid. The target, which are the children who access "forbidden" websites without authorization is likely to be lower than amount of people who won't be able to access due to those narrow specs.
- hellojesus 1y ago
  Why can't we continue with an open web standard? We should have complete interoperability regardless of whether I'm using a google smartphone or a custom os I wrote in my garage or bsd or nixos. That is the entire point of web standards: to create the ability to communicate with one-another regardless of system design, so long as standards are properly implemented. This is a general computing crisis.

alerighi 1y ago

This is plain stupid. Countries (e.g. where I live) already have systems like SPID or CIE that can authenticate users using a multitude of factors, for example I can authenticate myself with a QR and a phone, or I can not even have a phone at all and have a 20 euros NFC reader connected to the PC and can authenticate using my digital document and a PIN. I see this as a huge stepback to be fair.