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> you don't think of Tommy Robinson as fascist? that's surprising to me. I wouldn't be surprised if a majority of the British public don't think he is either.
by AOE9 1y ago
> you don't think of Tommy Robinson as fascist? that's surprising to me.
I wouldn't be surprised if a majority of the British public don't think he is either. Which is why I am asking how he is one.
> Ok, so I've grabbed a random definition of fascism[0] (first thing that came up googling).
Yeah that is the same definition I was using.
> now, let's think about tommy robinson and the EDL.
> * exalts nation and often race above the individual - check.
Sure I agree.
> * wants a centralised autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader - check.
Where did this come from? I don't think that article said anything about this.
> * by forcible suppression of opposition - I mean... it's the EDL, big check.
I don't know much about the EDL & what they have done so I couldn't comment on this.
- mijoharas 1y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Defence_League#Relationship_to_fascism_and_neo-Nazism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Defence_League#Relatio...
- AOE9 1y agoSo has he ever expressed anti-democratic ideas? Such as wanting a dictatorial leader, autocracy etc that kind of is a key component of fascism.
- projectazorian 1y agoFascists tend to downplay that part of their ideology until they're in power. Even the Nazis did this to some extent.
- mijoharas 1y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
- AOE9 1y agoI am not sure how I was being a bad actor, I asked the same question three times and was not getting an answer. > how does that translate to wanting a dictatorial leader, autocracy, forcible suppression etc like Russia? > > * wants a centralised autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader - check. > Where did this come from? I don't think that article said anything about this. You responded to this with a wikipedia article, which said he denounced fascism/neo-nazis & banned people from events. > So has he ever expressed anti-democratic ideas? Such as wanting a dictatorial leader, autocracy etc that kind of is a key component of fascism. I don't see how my follow up question was unreasonable given the wikipedia or ADL article you linked never said he expressed anti-democratic ideas. However, projectazorian has convinced me that while they may not have expressed fascist views directly, with their deep connections to neo-nazis/fascists they could be hiding it to be electable.
- mijoharas 1y agoAlright, I wasn't planning on posting any more, but let me editorialize, and simplify: How is DHH fascist? - here he is espousing ethno-nationalist viewpoints (one key fascist ideology). How is that fascist? - ok, here he is supporting a fascist. See this article specifying that he was a member of a fascist organisation for 5 years, and then started a more extreme offshoot of it. How is tommy robinson fascist? - Here are some reasons. How is the EDL fascist? - here is an article discussing fascism and the EDL Has he expressed a specific viewpoint? - point out sealioning.