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It's not like we have seen anything in gaming that wouldn't be possible on PS3/Xbox360 era hardware, certainly not in terms of complexity. Just remember that s

It's not like we have seen anything in gaming that wouldn't be possible on PS3/Xbox360 era hardware, certainly not in terms of complexity. Just remember that stuff like red dead redemption ran on those things with all of 512 MB of unified memory. It ran and looked better than borderlands 4 does on current consoles.

fendy3002 1y ago
Deck can run witcher 3 and mh:world decently (maybe some hiccup and lower graphic setting). There should be not a big problem to make games run on steam deck (ignoring controller support since it's a separate matter).
- secabeen 1y ago
  MH: World runs fine, but MH: Wilds does not, so it's right at the edge.
LoganDark 1y ago
Portal RTX might not be possible on that hardware without some severe compromises. But then again, RTX is pretty much Brute Force: The Renderer
- jon-wood 1y ago
  Portal RTX isn’t a new game, its Portal on supermax settings, so the original point on making sure low settings work still stands.
  - LoganDark 1y ago
    It's not just Portal on any settings. Portal RTX uses a completely different rendering engine to reimplement Portal's visuals using full path tracing.
teamonkey 1y ago
I think you're looking back with rose-tinted glasses. The 360/PS3 was a huge jump forward but very limited by today’s standards. RDR was one of the better looking games of the generation but could not maintain a steady 30fps at 1080p/i (and I’m not sure it was even true 1080). The PC version came later, had higher resolution textures and other graphical improvements so it compares more favourably to modern games when you play it today. It still had problems running on all but the highest-end PCs of the time. Of course even low-end PCs can run it without breaking a sweat, because they’ve become much more powerful.
- flohofwoe 1y ago
  Most Xbox360 and PS3 games were 720p at 30fps. 720p was mostly fine because 1080p TVs were luxury items back then. The performance problems in modern games are often not caused by fillrate-vs-resolution bottlenecks though, but by poor engine architecture decisions (triggering shader recompilations in the hot path).
  - teamonkey 1y ago
    Shader recompilation causes stuttering not general performance problems. Shader complexity will though, which is a function of render quality. But I’m confused about why you think fill rate isn’t an issue? If you are now upgrading from 1080p to 4K your GPU needs at the very least 4x the pixel pushing power and even then that’s only to maintain the same detail; you bought a 4K screen for more detail.
    - everdrive 1y ago
      > If you are now upgrading from 1080p to 4K Presumably people do this because they hate money; as you say, it's much harder to make the pixels just slightly more crisp and you'll pay dearly for the privilege.
      - teamonkey 1y ago
        I think people do it because they want the best quality but they underestimate how much compute power is needed to drive it properly.
dahauns 1y ago
Yeah, sure...I'd like to see something like MSFS2024 or BeamNG.drive running on a PS3.
izacus 1y ago
Cyberpunk 2077 proved that one wrong very easily :D
- TheCapeGreek 1y ago
  I tried CP2077's Deck mode but it really seemed like a tech demo level of "you could do this if you really wanted to" more than it actually being playable. The game felt like it had significant input lag, and at 720p with upscaling text becomes very hard to read. The game's visual style of "glitch" effects also translates badly with upscaling and I really had a tough time actually understanding what I'm looking at on the screen. Perhaps the situation is better on OLED.
  - izacus 1y ago
    Yeah, and famously CP2077 isn't really playable on PS4 and Xbox One era hardware. Even HDD equipped machines need to downgrade the streaming. The game on new machines is quite impressive, quite unlike anything else made.
    - TheCapeGreek 1y ago
      I've had a great experience with the game even at 4K on a 3060 desktop, I just didn't find it workable on the Deck.
  - goosedragons 1y ago
    I thought it was playable on the LCD Deck. I did turn things down below what the Steam Deck preset was at. It certainly wasn't the smoothest 100% of the time but it was better than Fallout New Vegas on a PS3 IMO. It still holds up pretty well against the Switch 2 version in handheld mode. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvGQik3m6ag https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvGQik3m6ag
  - rpdillon 1y ago
    Played and beat on an OLED deck, twice. Extremely playable. 30fps or higher almost all the time, handheld and docked work great. It's the #10 top most played game on Steam Deck. https://store.steampowered.com/charts/steamdecktopplayed https://store.steampowered.com/charts/steamdecktopplayed

fendy3002 1y ago

Deck can run witcher 3 and mh:world decently (maybe some hiccup and lower graphic setting). There should be not a big problem to make games run on steam deck (ignoring controller support since it's a separate matter).

secabeen 1y ago
MH: World runs fine, but MH: Wilds does not, so it's right at the edge.

LoganDark 1y ago

Portal RTX might not be possible on that hardware without some severe compromises. But then again, RTX is pretty much Brute Force: The Renderer

jon-wood 1y ago
Portal RTX isn’t a new game, its Portal on supermax settings, so the original point on making sure low settings work still stands.
- LoganDark 1y ago
  It's not just Portal on any settings. Portal RTX uses a completely different rendering engine to reimplement Portal's visuals using full path tracing.

teamonkey 1y ago

I think you're looking back with rose-tinted glasses. The 360/PS3 was a huge jump forward but very limited by today’s standards. RDR was one of the better looking games of the generation but could not maintain a steady 30fps at 1080p/i (and I’m not sure it was even true 1080). The PC version came later, had higher resolution textures and other graphical improvements so it compares more favourably to modern games when you play it today. It still had problems running on all but the highest-end PCs of the time. Of course even low-end PCs can run it without breaking a sweat, because they’ve become much more powerful.

flohofwoe 1y ago
Most Xbox360 and PS3 games were 720p at 30fps. 720p was mostly fine because 1080p TVs were luxury items back then. The performance problems in modern games are often not caused by fillrate-vs-resolution bottlenecks though, but by poor engine architecture decisions (triggering shader recompilations in the hot path).
- teamonkey 1y ago
  Shader recompilation causes stuttering not general performance problems. Shader complexity will though, which is a function of render quality. But I’m confused about why you think fill rate isn’t an issue? If you are now upgrading from 1080p to 4K your GPU needs at the very least 4x the pixel pushing power and even then that’s only to maintain the same detail; you bought a 4K screen for more detail.
  - everdrive 1y ago
    > If you are now upgrading from 1080p to 4K Presumably people do this because they hate money; as you say, it's much harder to make the pixels just slightly more crisp and you'll pay dearly for the privilege.
    - teamonkey 1y ago
      I think people do it because they want the best quality but they underestimate how much compute power is needed to drive it properly.

dahauns 1y ago

Yeah, sure...I'd like to see something like MSFS2024 or BeamNG.drive running on a PS3.

izacus 1y ago

Cyberpunk 2077 proved that one wrong very easily :D

TheCapeGreek 1y ago
I tried CP2077's Deck mode but it really seemed like a tech demo level of "you could do this if you really wanted to" more than it actually being playable. The game felt like it had significant input lag, and at 720p with upscaling text becomes very hard to read. The game's visual style of "glitch" effects also translates badly with upscaling and I really had a tough time actually understanding what I'm looking at on the screen. Perhaps the situation is better on OLED.
- izacus 1y ago
  Yeah, and famously CP2077 isn't really playable on PS4 and Xbox One era hardware. Even HDD equipped machines need to downgrade the streaming. The game on new machines is quite impressive, quite unlike anything else made.
  - TheCapeGreek 1y ago
    I've had a great experience with the game even at 4K on a 3060 desktop, I just didn't find it workable on the Deck.
- goosedragons 1y ago
  I thought it was playable on the LCD Deck. I did turn things down below what the Steam Deck preset was at. It certainly wasn't the smoothest 100% of the time but it was better than Fallout New Vegas on a PS3 IMO. It still holds up pretty well against the Switch 2 version in handheld mode. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvGQik3m6ag https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvGQik3m6ag
- rpdillon 1y ago
  Played and beat on an OLED deck, twice. Extremely playable. 30fps or higher almost all the time, handheld and docked work great. It's the #10 top most played game on Steam Deck. https://store.steampowered.com/charts/steamdecktopplayed https://store.steampowered.com/charts/steamdecktopplayed