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Ruby Central Is Not Behaving in Good Faith, and I've Got Receipts
- wg0 1y ago> Shan Cureton and Ruby Central, as of June 10, knew DHH was already weaponizing his return to RailsConf to attack his enemies, because I was the one who shared this information with them. What's that about? Who are DHH enemies here?
- whstl 1y agoMike Perham has been quite vocal on microblogs, and he pulled 250k/year funding from RubyCentral, which is why Shopify is the main sponsor now. AFAIK, he pulled his funding for reasons related to DHH. https://mastodon.xyz/@mperham https://mastodon.xyz/@mperham
- dak89 1y agoHis tone is so histrionic. I'm glad the influence of people like this is now somewhat lower than 5 years ago.
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- edent 1y agoSure, OK. But why is "teenage girl" being used as a pejorative? Is there something wrong with writing like a girl?
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- dak89 1y agoI can't remember exactly what the now flagged comment said, but there is something odd and affected about adopting the slang/jargon of people a generation younger than you.
- simianparrot 1y agoIt isn't being used as a pejorative. But an adult person shouldn't write like an emotionally unstable teenager if they want to be taken seriously. Teenage girls have a particularly clichéd way of writing and communicating. That's it. Being emotionally unstable isn't a pejorative either; it's part of growing up. It's called adolescence, when the brain is in a particularly turbulent and dynamic part of development.
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- bartread 1y agoI stopped reading at the point he described Basecamp as having imploded. Can we please at least try to be a little more objective in how we use language? You may agree or disagree with what Basecamp, now 37signals, did but the company did not “implode”. Many of their employees - one third - did disagree with what they did and chose to leave. Was their leaving a protest? Well, maybe. But IIRC they were offered very generous severance terms, which would have made that choice much easier to make and so perhaps robs it of some of its value as a protest. And what about the company? Well, as far as I can tell, they seem to be doing fine. They’re offering junior devs, was it 125k or 150k US fully remote? Somewhere in that ballpark anyway. And just about anywhere within a certain range of time zones. That’s not a sign of a company that’s struggling. I have read DHH’s blog post about London, and I am a Brit, so think I can offer a somewhat qualified point of view here. DHH is correct about the demographic changes in London over the past decades, but he’s absolutely wrong to cast Tommy Robinson (aka Stephen Yaxley-Lennon) as some kind of good faith activist standing up for the rights of ordinary British folks. The guy is a criminal and a low-life grifter. I can’t even really call him a fascist because I’m not convinced he really believes a word he’s saying. So I’ll stick with con-artist. Back to the post: the most charitable interpretation I can put on it is that DHH simply hasn’t done his homework on Robinson. Is that an accurate characterisation? I honestly don’t know.
- PikachuEXE 1y agoAnd I don't even know much of these stuff is related to Ruby Central Is Not Behaving in Good Faith. Not a good sign for an article if it's for showing evidence... (maybe it's not I wish I can see more summary, state facts mostly (with sources even they might not be reliable but better than just guessing without source)
- mvdtnz 1y agoReading this post is like playing 2021 Internet Millennial Outrage Bingo. It's quite fun if you make a game of it.
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- philipallstar 1y agoI fail to see any receipts.
- Maro 1y agoThe only direct quote from DHH in the article seems to be this, which is quoted as being offensive (?): > “First-world problems” shouldn’t be seen as an insult, but a celebration! Hurraaaay, I have ascended from the daily toils and tribulations of a life in the third world, so my worries may now include slow laundry machines and air conditioning, not starvation or failed states How is this offensive? Seems like a nothing burger. I don't know anything about this topic other than what was in this post.
- sto11z 1y agoYeah I came here to say this, if the author somehow understood that this is cheering for starving children, I believe he has some comperhension issues.
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- keanb 1y agoThe ideology of the author needs starving children to survive. Once children stop starving, the author’s ideology is no longer useful and dies.
- IncreasePosts 1y agoNot only a nothing burger, but isn't this "checking your privilege"?
- Keyframe 1y agoAuthor comes off as a bit of a Karen himself. This whole post is a waste of everybody's time.
- Alifatisk 1y agoYeah I was a bit surprised by that part > I regret to say I am unable to support an organization which seems unable to publicly disavow a man [...] who is now apparently cheering on death via starvation in third world countries. I do not understand how such conclusion could be drawn, I even started asking myself how any of this was related to the current issue with RubyCentral and RubyGems?
- dncornholio 1y agoSo making a switch like this can never happen perfectly. You will always have people hurt. The changes do make RubyGems more secure, right? Feelings are hurt, but no software is in danger.
- mijoharas 1y agoI think that's debatable. All the maintainers quit, including the single security engineer. The code is now unmaintained. There's a good argue that security has been reduced.
- AOE9 1y agoSo how is DHH a fascist? Or is this just the in vogue ad hominem attack right now?
- edent 1y ago[flagged]
- pantulis 1y agoAgreed, but being a conservative or right wing person does not equal being a fascist. We should be reserving those words to the people that really deserve them, otherwise the word loses the meaning.
- edent 1y ago[flagged]
- andriesm 1y agoAnd this is why these very serious words have lost their power. Racist, Sexist, Fascist.... When half the country is deemed to support "literal" Himler, or when Elon Musk, or Jews with family impacted by the Holocaust, are called Nahtzees, then these words have been diluted to mean nothing. I hope people who so overused&misused these words are happy with what they achieved. Congratulations you made these words lose all power. I would have preferred a world where these words still had serious meaning attached to them.
- AOE9 1y agoI agree the words are misused, it is the boy who cried wolf. Hence why I had to ask if DHH was X.
- AOE9 1y agoSo who does he support that is fascist?
- veltas 1y agoIf you don't like him don't go to his talk.
- jemiluv8 1y agoSounds rather dramatic. For some reason, the rails community seem to have some drama going on every few years. Wish nodejs or golang would have this kinda thing. I'd be shocked though. I think it is fairly easy to see that the ruby eco-system seems somewhat politically charged.
- IncreasePosts 1y ago"the drama never ends" because people like the author continually attempt to induce it, by doing things like demanding a guest at a tech talk be uninvited because of their non-tech views.
- cyberpunk 1y agoI don't really understand the outrage either. If he was planning on including his political views in the speech, that's something else, but I personally don't give much of a fuck about the political views of anyone, especially wouldn't use it to inform my technology choices. It seem impossible for some people to allow anyone with dissenting views to their own to even exist anymore, pretty sad set of affairs. What's the old quote? "Your right to swing your fist ends at the other guys nose?" Perhaps we'd all do better keeping that in mind.
- edent 1y ago[flagged]
- IncreasePosts 1y agoDHH has proposed killing people?
- edent 1y agoHave you read his blog post about London? The one where he praises the racist convicted criminal Stephen Yaxley-Lennon? The one where he described the violent march as being full of "normal, peaceful Brits"? The one where he stirs up ethnic tension by talking about "rape gangs" from one minority (despite the stats not backing up his assertion)? The one where he lavishes praise on an obsessive trasphobe? What do you think he is trying to do if not incite violence and hate?
- IncreasePosts 1y agoBy that standard, wouldn't DHH say that you're trying to kill him and people like him? Has he used his power to demand that people that share your viewpoints aren't platformed at tech conferences?
- simianparrot 1y agoAnd this type of person seems to be exactly why Ruby Central did what it did: To save the projects from being misused as protest tools by histrionic people that make sweeping derogatory remarks about other people whose benign opinions they dislike. I am not affiliated with either “side” so I allow myself this small outburst of my own because I see no receipts and the tone of this blog post set the stage for it.
- throwawayqqq11 1y agoThis is the decay of the current political discourse. World views that disparage human beings where previously condemned but the overton window slowly shifted the topic of eg. "degenerates" back into the public. Even though we are thankfully not quite there to talk openly about a final solution (that time might come!). It started with "edgy humor" and ambigous statements and slowly increased in misantrophy and number. Ofc it is predominantly the political right that, openly or indirectly, revolves around conservative identity politics and in turn is more susceptible to disgust driven out-group biases. But this behaviour can be seen on the political left too. As a reaction to the right communicating in dog whistles, they got kind of conditioned on it too and that is IMO the prime motivator of this blog post. Jared White could have done a better job by collecting more examples of such "hate speech" but to be pedantic here, DHH -- like any reasonable person -- should avoid ambiguity and take a big step back from any ambiguous public communication or at least clarify. When this open, clear and construstive communication doesnt happen, you can observe stuff like this. Name calling and blame around "banalities". Its just the surfacing part of a bigger conflict, which can be hard to pin point since one side is (intentionally) ambiguous/evasive/ignorant. Reading DHHs quoted X post is a good example of deteriorating communication: > @dhh: While the rest of the tech world has mostly moved on from the nonsense of the early 2020s, there are still a few ardent ideologues fighting the last war on Reddit, believing that ridiculous accusations like “nazi” and “fascist” still carry any weight I wouldnt put a text together, where (1) i am not adressing the other sides concerns, (2) frame them negatively and (3) normalize allegations, others take very serious (nazi, fascism) as wheightless when i am in charge of managing (and uniting) a community. This is a serious red flag.
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- javawizard 1y agoHate to break it to you but, sample size of 9, my entire friend group talks like this. We're all in our 30s. Language changes. The construction "what's up" and its extension "what's up with ..." didn't become widely accepted until Bugs Bunny brought it into the mainstream, and yet you use it as naturally as anything else at the beginning of your message. I don't know that it's particularly constructive to dish on this post purely on that account.
- mosura 1y agoThe subheading is “ The drama never ends, but I am here to take a stand and do something about it”. It is total hypocrisy. If you and your friends all talk in this way you are just oblivious to the fact you are the problem.
- bartread 1y agoWhilst I don’t necessarily disagree with your overall point, this kind of inflammatory commentary which has taken a solid step into personal attack territory > If you and your friends all talk in this way you are just oblivious to the fact you are the problem. isn’t really helping, is it? Moreover, generational complaints about use of language and communication style are solidly off topic and do not rise above the level of cliche.
- mosura 1y ago> isn’t really helping, is it? It isn’t wrong. How else are you supposed to tell people that their behavior indicates that their removal is a feature and not a bug? > Moreover, generational complaints about use of language and communication style are solidly off topic and do not rise above the level of cliche. There are no generational complaints. The problem is gossip culture, as indicated by the language.
- renewiltord 1y agoWhat DHH said: “First-world problems” shouldn’t be seen as an insult, but a celebration! Hurraaaay, I have ascended from the daily toils and tribulations of a life in the third world, so my worries may now include slow laundry machines and air conditioning, not starvation or failed states [party confetti emoji] What this guy feels about that: I regret to say I am unable to support an organization which seems unable to publicly disavow a man who has demonstrated numerous times to be a racist, homophobe, transphobe, fatphobe, ableist white nationalist who is now apparently cheering on death via starvation in third world countries It's too much. I don't have the patience for this. The complaint is so out of left field I have to assume DHH and the RubyCentral guys are right.
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 1y ago> The complaint is so out of left field I have to assume DHH and the RubyCentral guys are right. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy
- renewiltord 1y agoIronic: https://philarchive.org/archive/ABETFF-2 https://philarchive.org/archive/ABETFF-2
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- PikachuEXE 1y agoI don't live in US or know very well about US. Would you explain this a bit more for us ignorant people? (or would someone else do it? :3
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 1y ago> or would someone else do it? Somebody did this and documented it in a video series called "Portlandia". It'll get you about 80% of the way there, if I had to guess.
- Alifatisk 1y agoThe article did not live up to the title and shifts focus to DHH and his political tweets, which is totally irrelevant of RubyCentrals hostile takeover What is even weirder is that towards the end, after all of the pie throwing, the author ends with "I am done. I am done with this drama." and suggests building a separate ecosystem for Ruby from the ground up I can barely take the article serious at this point. I am afraid the author caused more damage and confusion than good, if anything, this might even make people feel like what RubyCentral did was right
- mtrovo 1y ago> DHH would be platformed—and ironically at the very conference he was asked not to keynote in 2022 seemingly as a result of Basecamp’s politically-charged implosion which led to a third of the entire company resigning in protest. That's a funny way to say that he asked for people to refrain from politics when they're at work and a third of the company said no and left, I really struggle to see this in a bad light. I don't have beefs on this whole discussion and only sporadically follow DHH blog posts, I think the main conflict people are having with his views is that work is not just work anymore, people are expected to share a vision, to have the same cliques, to live the same live, work became for some people what family, church or the local community used to be for most before that. See for example https://medium.com/signal-v-noise/the-company-isnt-a-family-d24f26c3f3fe https://medium.com/signal-v-noise/the-company-isnt-a-family-... or his book "It Doesn't Have to Be Crazy at Work". I was talking to a friend who worked in the US and the UK about the culture differences, and he mentioned how the US leaned more towards a family culture where the UK was more of a pub culture. On a family you feel required to cope with whatever bs is thrown at you because you're supposed to stick together. On a pub the more off putting you are the more chances people are not gonna talk to you.
- IncreasePosts 1y agoI think one would have a hard time figuring out who quit because of the policy change, and who was just taking the buyout package.
- dash2 1y agoI read through this and got to this bit. The first paragraph is DHH. The second paragraph is the author's interpretation. >> “First-world problems” shouldn’t be seen as an insult, but a celebration! Hurraaaay, I have ascended from the daily toils and tribulations of a life in the third world, so my worries may now include slow laundry machines and air conditioning, not starvation or failed states > I regret to say I am unable to support an organization which seems unable to publicly disavow a man who has demonstrated numerous times to be a racist, homophobe, transphobe, fatphobe, ableist white nationalist who is now apparently cheering on death via starvation in third world countries. The quote clearly doesn't "cheer on death via starvation". Given that, I'm extremely doubtful about the author's other claims that DHH is a fatphobe, homophobe, thisphobe, thatphobe.... If the author can be this silly and/or dishonest about something he himself quotes, then why should I trust anything else he says? I then went and checked one of his links to DHH, which he describes as being "hateful to therapists". Here, check it yourself: https://world.hey.com/dhh/building-competency-is-better-than-therapy-4622c6b7 https://world.hey.com/dhh/building-competency-is-better-than... Calling this "hateful to therapists" is just ridiculous. DHH is arguing that there are good alternatives to therapy! There is nothing remotely close to hate in the whole article. Maybe DHH is actually a total Nazi - I'd never heard of the guy till today. What we can clearly see is that Jared White is either a liar or an idiot. I'm sorry to see this sort of nonsense still thriving, and it is 100% right that it should have been left behind. More than that - people who slander others deserve to be shamed themselves.
- dominicrose 1y agoThis is unrelated to Ruby and the author is against free speech because he wants to professionaly censor someone because of his work-unrelated opinions. Plus there are perfectly valid reasons to prefer some categories of people over others. It has nothing to do with hate or fascism, it's only natural. I'm a DINK (double-income no kids) and I don't feel the hate of DDH, I only see someone who thinks it's worthwhile to be a parent and it's a dead end not to be. It's technically true and you can't argue against that anyway.
- pmdr 1y agoWait, people are complaining about his views on having children now?
- jemiluv8 1y agoHilarious
- pmdr 1y agoI mean, what's the take here? Discrimination against people who can't have children? Hatred towards those who won't? Did he only encourage people of a certain race to have children? I remember listening to some interviews/podcasts where he discussed this. I don't have children myself, but I did not detect any malice in his arguments.
- jemiluv8 1y agoNeither did I and that was why I found the whole thing rather hilarious. This is not even a discussion
- dominicrose 1y agoTBH my comment was a reaction to the tiniest bit of the article. The author just HAD to add this part after all the rest didn't he?
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- pmdr 1y agoSo... Did this get flagged because of its content or because of the backlash?
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