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I would imagine this update tranfers to general Linux well? Not a small thing.

by nicce 1y ago

jansommer 1y ago
Already runs smooth on Linux (Wine)
- Podrod 1y ago
  Or just Proton
  - deleted 1y ago
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- nicce 1y ago
  Yes, but native is always native.
  - gambiting 1y ago
    Native doesn't automatically mean better - quite a few examples of games running better on proton than with native executables(and yes then we can start arguing that it just means the native port is done poorly, but I'm just saying don't assume native will always run better).
    - keyringlight 1y ago
      It seems like a similar argument around the popularity of third party engines, whether studios should use Unreal, or whether they have the expertise/resources to change to and use another engine, or make their own bespoke engine, and if that will produce better results.
      - nicce 1y ago
        I think that is not fair comparison. Proton adds additional layer which can be completely removed and affects the runtime performance. Switching different game engine changes the layer implementation, instead of removing.
  - theshrike79 1y ago
    When Proton started to get good, there were multiple stories of small game studios just dropping their bespoke Linux builds because the Windows->Proton version ran much much faster and required zero effort from them.
  - distances 1y ago
    Proton version often works much better than a native port. So I now always just force that on even if there's a native version.
    - nicce 1y ago
      Proton version will always work better if someone does not show an example and encourage the usage of native support. With Proton you are guaranteed to never reach the optimal potential, or get full advantages of the Linux/Wayland ecosystem. While with native versions you have at least the chance to get in there. It is like judging someone for taking an advantage of the new CPU instructions that accelerate processing because general instructions are already good enough.
svl 1y ago
Sadly they explicitly don't support that. :( > Now that there is a Steam Deck Native build, is Baldur’s Gate 3 supported on Linux? > Larian does not provide support for the Linux platform. The Steam Deck Native build is only supported on Steam Deck.
- rnhmjoj 1y ago
  Well, most game companies will only tell you the game only works on something very specific, say Ubuntu 24.04, and everything else is untested/unsupported. That doesn't exclude the game will work perfectly fine on other distros, which is usually the case.
- onli 1y ago
  I'd expect it to work anyway. Under Steam at least. There is nothing special about the Steam Deck/SteamOS that's not available on other distros when running Steam, afaik.
- dkersten 1y ago
  Of course they don’t, it would be crazy to say they would support all the different possible distros and configurations that people might run, when the majority of users are in steam deck. But that doesn’t mean it won’t run, just that if you have issues, they don’t promise to fix them. Seems reasonable to me. BG3 already ran well enough on Linux, so I imagine this will only make it run better, official support or not.
  - kcb 1y ago
    I don't think they have to do that for a Steam Linux release. Steam has Linux native runtimes to provide games with a consistent environment across distros. https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-runtime/blob/master/README.md https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-runtime/blob/master/R...
    - dkersten 1y ago
      Ah, that’s true. Steam Linux is a smaller target than Linux in general. You’re right.
morsch 1y ago
That'd be nice, though at the moment I hope that if the update instead breaks something on Linux -- a distinct possibility --, I can go back to the Proton version which has been working pretty much perfectly.
- keyringlight 1y ago
  Something I wonder is if this new version is a linux build specifically targeting the deck hardware+OS setup, have Larian now committed themselves to following whatever Valve does in future for changes to that setup. In any case, they've got a fallback which is the windows version on proton, but it's inverting how Valve has trained many to behave which is to make just a windows version and delegate linux support to them. There's also been persistent speculation about whether Valve would take on the burden of releasing SteamOS as a general distribution anyone can install on their own hardware (which I think is unlikely), which could in turn affect how Larian has to treat this port even if that is just communicating what it is and isn't.

I would imagine this update tranfers to general Linux well? Not a small thing.

by nicce 1y ago

I would imagine this update tranfers to general Linux well? Not a small thing.

jansommer 1y ago

Already runs smooth on Linux (Wine)

Podrod 1y ago
Or just Proton
- deleted 1y ago
  [deleted]
nicce 1y ago
Yes, but native is always native.
- gambiting 1y ago
  Native doesn't automatically mean better - quite a few examples of games running better on proton than with native executables(and yes then we can start arguing that it just means the native port is done poorly, but I'm just saying don't assume native will always run better).
  - keyringlight 1y ago
    It seems like a similar argument around the popularity of third party engines, whether studios should use Unreal, or whether they have the expertise/resources to change to and use another engine, or make their own bespoke engine, and if that will produce better results.
    - nicce 1y ago
      I think that is not fair comparison. Proton adds additional layer which can be completely removed and affects the runtime performance. Switching different game engine changes the layer implementation, instead of removing.
- theshrike79 1y ago
  When Proton started to get good, there were multiple stories of small game studios just dropping their bespoke Linux builds because the Windows->Proton version ran much much faster and required zero effort from them.
- distances 1y ago
  Proton version often works much better than a native port. So I now always just force that on even if there's a native version.
  - nicce 1y ago
    Proton version will always work better if someone does not show an example and encourage the usage of native support. With Proton you are guaranteed to never reach the optimal potential, or get full advantages of the Linux/Wayland ecosystem. While with native versions you have at least the chance to get in there. It is like judging someone for taking an advantage of the new CPU instructions that accelerate processing because general instructions are already good enough.

svl 1y ago

Sadly they explicitly don't support that. :( > Now that there is a Steam Deck Native build, is Baldur’s Gate 3 supported on Linux? > Larian does not provide support for the Linux platform. The Steam Deck Native build is only supported on Steam Deck.

rnhmjoj 1y ago
Well, most game companies will only tell you the game only works on something very specific, say Ubuntu 24.04, and everything else is untested/unsupported. That doesn't exclude the game will work perfectly fine on other distros, which is usually the case.
onli 1y ago
I'd expect it to work anyway. Under Steam at least. There is nothing special about the Steam Deck/SteamOS that's not available on other distros when running Steam, afaik.
dkersten 1y ago
Of course they don’t, it would be crazy to say they would support all the different possible distros and configurations that people might run, when the majority of users are in steam deck. But that doesn’t mean it won’t run, just that if you have issues, they don’t promise to fix them. Seems reasonable to me. BG3 already ran well enough on Linux, so I imagine this will only make it run better, official support or not.
- kcb 1y ago
  I don't think they have to do that for a Steam Linux release. Steam has Linux native runtimes to provide games with a consistent environment across distros. https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-runtime/blob/master/README.md https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-runtime/blob/master/R...
  - dkersten 1y ago
    Ah, that’s true. Steam Linux is a smaller target than Linux in general. You’re right.

morsch 1y ago

That'd be nice, though at the moment I hope that if the update instead breaks something on Linux -- a distinct possibility --, I can go back to the Proton version which has been working pretty much perfectly.

keyringlight 1y ago
Something I wonder is if this new version is a linux build specifically targeting the deck hardware+OS setup, have Larian now committed themselves to following whatever Valve does in future for changes to that setup. In any case, they've got a fallback which is the windows version on proton, but it's inverting how Valve has trained many to behave which is to make just a windows version and delegate linux support to them. There's also been persistent speculation about whether Valve would take on the burden of releasing SteamOS as a general distribution anyone can install on their own hardware (which I think is unlikely), which could in turn affect how Larian has to treat this port even if that is just communicating what it is and isn't.