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As mentioned, HTML is indeed a programming language. But it’s one that is rarely used on its own. So you could argue that having it as a thing of itself in thes

As mentioned, HTML is indeed a programming language. But it’s one that is rarely used on its own. So you could argue that having it as a thing of itself in these lists, makes little sense.

kstrauser 1y ago
I contest this. It has no features of programming languages: no way to set or read variables, or to evaluate expressions, or any kind of flow control. If it’s a programming language, so is Markdown. (It’s not, either.)
- microflash 1y ago
  Take a look at this conditional here: <picture> <source media="(prefers-color-scheme: dark)" srcset="logo_dark.svg"> <img src="logo.svg" alt="logo" width="48"> </picture>
  - koakuma-chan 1y ago
    "(prefers-color-scheme: dark)" is CSS
munchler 1y ago
HTML on its own is not Turing complete, so it’s not a programming language in any practical sense. It’s a markup language.
- ngruhn 1y ago
  not sure if that's a good criterion. There are also non Turing complete languages like core SQL or Rocq that definitely feel like programming.
  - a96 1y ago
    Things can and often do feel like other things that they are not.
- gf000 1y ago
  There are non-Turing complete programming languages, and there are many things that are Turing complete but have nothing to do with programming (even PowerPoint), so this is neither a required nor sufficient property. I believe a reasonable way to categorize languages as programming or not is simply.. what is it's primary use case. HTML's last two letters tell us exactly that it is not a programming language.
alkonaut 1y ago
I think "A language often involved in the process of making computer programs" is way too weak to define a "Programming language". A programming language at least needs to have state/expressions/logic. I'm sure there is a good definition, but if we allow html then any markup is programming and that's obviously false so the line has to be drawn somewhere. The reason this debate is so strange is because some people think it's gatekeeping to say someone who writes html for a living isn't "programming". It's nonsense.
anon1395 1y ago
HTML isn't turing complete

As mentioned, HTML is indeed a programming language. But it’s one that is rarely used on its own. So you could argue that having it as a thing of itself in these lists, makes little sense.

kstrauser 1y ago

I contest this. It has no features of programming languages: no way to set or read variables, or to evaluate expressions, or any kind of flow control. If it’s a programming language, so is Markdown. (It’s not, either.)

microflash 1y ago
Take a look at this conditional here: <picture> <source media="(prefers-color-scheme: dark)" srcset="logo_dark.svg"> <img src="logo.svg" alt="logo" width="48"> </picture>
- koakuma-chan 1y ago
  "(prefers-color-scheme: dark)" is CSS

munchler 1y ago

HTML on its own is not Turing complete, so it’s not a programming language in any practical sense. It’s a markup language.

ngruhn 1y ago
not sure if that's a good criterion. There are also non Turing complete languages like core SQL or Rocq that definitely feel like programming.
- a96 1y ago
  Things can and often do feel like other things that they are not.
gf000 1y ago
There are non-Turing complete programming languages, and there are many things that are Turing complete but have nothing to do with programming (even PowerPoint), so this is neither a required nor sufficient property. I believe a reasonable way to categorize languages as programming or not is simply.. what is it's primary use case. HTML's last two letters tell us exactly that it is not a programming language.

alkonaut 1y ago

I think "A language often involved in the process of making computer programs" is way too weak to define a "Programming language". A programming language at least needs to have state/expressions/logic. I'm sure there is a good definition, but if we allow html then any markup is programming and that's obviously false so the line has to be drawn somewhere. The reason this debate is so strange is because some people think it's gatekeeping to say someone who writes html for a living isn't "programming". It's nonsense.

anon1395 1y ago

HTML isn't turing complete