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Very casual football/soccer fan checking in - offside seems like a challenging call to make, most of the time. I understand the rules and all of its subtleties

Very casual football/soccer fan checking in - offside seems like a challenging call to make, most of the time. I understand the rules and all of its subtleties. It seems like the AR bears a lot of responsibility for the call - marking the penultimate defender. And yeah - if the ref just glanced at the sideline -- lack of AR flag means no offside because I didn't see it and AR didn't see it ergo there's no one left to consult ergo it didn't happen. But yeah the objection IIUC was not over offside despite what the announcer says. He realizes at the end that it's an apparent handball. "At what point was he offside ... or was it a use of the hand that England are complaining about?" > ... back peddle to the AR (never take your eyes of the pitch) Is this because of the risk of violence from the players?

dylan604 1y ago
> Is this because of the risk of violence from the players? that's part of it, but just in general you can't be in control if you can't see it. > But yeah the objection IIUC was not over offside despite what the announcer says. He realizes at the end that it's an apparent handball. "At what point was he offside ... or was it a use of the hand that England are complaining about?" wow, i wrote a whole diatribe about offside, and that had nothing to do with your comment <face-palm> In the modern game, VAR would wind the goal scoring play to the beginning of the play to see if there was anything missed. They would look for the first reason to stop the play. In that case, the offside would be seen first and the goal would be disallowed for that. Back then, the offside was missed by the AR so play continued. Even the England players didn't complain about the offside. They were complaining about the hand ball. It should have been the more obvious thing for a ref to see. If you see how the players are screaming about the hand ball, it is with the hand raised over the head which does look like what every defender does to imitate the AR raising the flag. However, you see the other hand comes up to slap the wrist indicating they want the foul for handling the ball. To be fair, from the commentator's perspective, the offside was clearly visible. It's only natural to think that's what everyone would be complaining about. It is possible that even the ref was looking at his AR waiting for the flag to go up and wasn't even looking at the play and missed the hand in his befuddlement at the no offside call
- stockresearcher 1y ago
  To be honest, I am not sure that the hand of god play was offsides! The final touch before Maradona gets it is not clearly a "deliberate play" by the defender. Maradona is not in an offsides position on the final touch by a teammate. I'm sure that the offside law has been "refined" between 1986 and now, but this is the law as of today and there is a huge difference between touches by teammates and defenders: https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/offside/#offside-offence https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/offside/#offside-offence

dylan604 1y ago

> Is this because of the risk of violence from the players? that's part of it, but just in general you can't be in control if you can't see it. > But yeah the objection IIUC was not over offside despite what the announcer says. He realizes at the end that it's an apparent handball. "At what point was he offside ... or was it a use of the hand that England are complaining about?" wow, i wrote a whole diatribe about offside, and that had nothing to do with your comment <face-palm> In the modern game, VAR would wind the goal scoring play to the beginning of the play to see if there was anything missed. They would look for the first reason to stop the play. In that case, the offside would be seen first and the goal would be disallowed for that. Back then, the offside was missed by the AR so play continued. Even the England players didn't complain about the offside. They were complaining about the hand ball. It should have been the more obvious thing for a ref to see. If you see how the players are screaming about the hand ball, it is with the hand raised over the head which does look like what every defender does to imitate the AR raising the flag. However, you see the other hand comes up to slap the wrist indicating they want the foul for handling the ball. To be fair, from the commentator's perspective, the offside was clearly visible. It's only natural to think that's what everyone would be complaining about. It is possible that even the ref was looking at his AR waiting for the flag to go up and wasn't even looking at the play and missed the hand in his befuddlement at the no offside call

stockresearcher 1y ago
To be honest, I am not sure that the hand of god play was offsides! The final touch before Maradona gets it is not clearly a "deliberate play" by the defender. Maradona is not in an offsides position on the final touch by a teammate. I'm sure that the offside law has been "refined" between 1986 and now, but this is the law as of today and there is a huge difference between touches by teammates and defenders: https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/offside/#offside-offence https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/offside/#offside-offence