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It should be noted that SFMTA, the alleged victim of this website, uses a network of 400+ Flock ALPR cameras to track the movement of every vehicle in the regio

It should be noted that SFMTA, the alleged victim of this website, uses a network of 400+ Flock ALPR cameras to track the movement of every vehicle in the region. They're able to do this not because of some special agency authority, but because it's legal for anyone to surveil public areas.

what 1y ago
How is that relevant? Do they publish the exact location of every vehicle in real time?
- dymk 1y ago
  They keep that data for themselves, they don’t even tell you how much data they have on you. Why is it unfair that they also be tracked?
  - Eisenstein 1y ago
    It might be fair, but is it a good idea? What you are doing is justifying something you wouldn't agree with because it targets people belonging to an organization doing the thing you don't agree with. That is can be problematic because 1. They now can say 'well it is done to us why can't we do it to others' instead of engaging with real arguments about using ALPR flock cameras to track people 2. You assume that a person working for an organization is automatically complicit in the decisions of that organization and is therefore fair to be targeted by systems you don't want targeted at yourself -- this is fine when in war or other struggles deemed worthy of placing aside normal human morality temporarily, but is this one of those? 3. This type of thing can turn into a race to the bottom where each side escalates compromises of their basic value systems
    - dymk 1y ago
      The police as an organization do not care about engaging with you in good faith and are far past a race to the bottom regarding surveillance.
      - Eisenstein 1y ago
        A race is composed of more than one party.
        pclmulqdq 1y ago
        Don't worry, urban police departments will find the bottom as fast as possible without anyone else's help. You're not "racing" by joining them.
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hooverd 1y ago
Well, maybe they shouldn't either?

what 1y ago

How is that relevant? Do they publish the exact location of every vehicle in real time?

dymk 1y ago
They keep that data for themselves, they don’t even tell you how much data they have on you. Why is it unfair that they also be tracked?
- Eisenstein 1y ago
  It might be fair, but is it a good idea? What you are doing is justifying something you wouldn't agree with because it targets people belonging to an organization doing the thing you don't agree with. That is can be problematic because 1. They now can say 'well it is done to us why can't we do it to others' instead of engaging with real arguments about using ALPR flock cameras to track people 2. You assume that a person working for an organization is automatically complicit in the decisions of that organization and is therefore fair to be targeted by systems you don't want targeted at yourself -- this is fine when in war or other struggles deemed worthy of placing aside normal human morality temporarily, but is this one of those? 3. This type of thing can turn into a race to the bottom where each side escalates compromises of their basic value systems
  - dymk 1y ago
    The police as an organization do not care about engaging with you in good faith and are far past a race to the bottom regarding surveillance.
    - Eisenstein 1y ago
      A race is composed of more than one party.
      - pclmulqdq 1y ago
        Don't worry, urban police departments will find the bottom as fast as possible without anyone else's help. You're not "racing" by joining them.
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hooverd 1y ago

Well, maybe they shouldn't either?