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I cannot remember a more aggravating discussion on Hacker News. A lot of people who are working with / building and using 'NoSQL' databases are the very same p

I cannot remember a more aggravating discussion on Hacker News. A lot of people who are working with / building and using 'NoSQL' databases are the very same people building the RDBMS tools that you are so eager to defend. You have stated elsewhere that you do not know anything about 'NoSQL' stores, so instead of insulting a huge number of people far more experienced than yourself, why dont you attempt to learn? (or at the very least, avoid disregarding the thoughts of a huge sector of the industry)

gregjor 14y ago
I cannot remember a more aggravating discussion on Hacker News. I suggest taking exchanges of opinion less personally. You have stated elsewhere that you do not know anything about 'NoSQL' stores No, I didn't. I have read about them, gone to conferences, and gone through tutorials for a few NoSQL products, but haven't had a use for them in my own work. Since I have 35+ years of programming and database experience I am not viewing these things through the eyes of a newb. And I have lots of experience with database management pre-RDBMS. I did say I haven't found any use for the current batch of NoSQL tools in my own projects, but obviously lots of other people have. And I have clearly indicated that everything I write is my opinion based on my experience, not word from on high. Again, get a grip. instead of insulting a huge number of people far more experienced than yourself No insult intended. My opinions, your mileage may vary. Ad hominem attacks are, on the other hand, deliberate insults. why dont you attempt to learn? (or at the very least, avoid disregarding the thoughts of a huge sector of the industry) Thanks for the career advice. My advice to you and some of the other commenters frothing at the mouth is to disconnect your ego from your preferred tools.
einhverfr 14y ago
In fact I was watching a presentation somewhere (I forget where), where folks were using NoSQL databases as a sort of pre-processing layer for the RDBMS. In this regard it's very useful on the high-end. Where I am less convinced is outside the high-end, and outside the idea of a transition tier between input and RDBMS (or between RDBMS and output even). As a persistence layer, NoSQL is applicable largely to the subset of cases where Object Oriented Databases were. Here the GP is right that the industry is keen on relearning the same lessons every couple of decades.... However, as pre-processing and post-processing, there seems to me to be a much larger set of use cases out there but again only where the RDBMS is no longer really able to handle everything you want it to do.

gregjor 14y ago

I cannot remember a more aggravating discussion on Hacker News. I suggest taking exchanges of opinion less personally. You have stated elsewhere that you do not know anything about 'NoSQL' stores No, I didn't. I have read about them, gone to conferences, and gone through tutorials for a few NoSQL products, but haven't had a use for them in my own work. Since I have 35+ years of programming and database experience I am not viewing these things through the eyes of a newb. And I have lots of experience with database management pre-RDBMS. I did say I haven't found any use for the current batch of NoSQL tools in my own projects, but obviously lots of other people have. And I have clearly indicated that everything I write is my opinion based on my experience, not word from on high. Again, get a grip. instead of insulting a huge number of people far more experienced than yourself No insult intended. My opinions, your mileage may vary. Ad hominem attacks are, on the other hand, deliberate insults. why dont you attempt to learn? (or at the very least, avoid disregarding the thoughts of a huge sector of the industry) Thanks for the career advice. My advice to you and some of the other commenters frothing at the mouth is to disconnect your ego from your preferred tools.

einhverfr 14y ago

In fact I was watching a presentation somewhere (I forget where), where folks were using NoSQL databases as a sort of pre-processing layer for the RDBMS. In this regard it's very useful on the high-end. Where I am less convinced is outside the high-end, and outside the idea of a transition tier between input and RDBMS (or between RDBMS and output even). As a persistence layer, NoSQL is applicable largely to the subset of cases where Object Oriented Databases were. Here the GP is right that the industry is keen on relearning the same lessons every couple of decades.... However, as pre-processing and post-processing, there seems to me to be a much larger set of use cases out there but again only where the RDBMS is no longer really able to handle everything you want it to do.