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If I were trying to govern during a generational, world stopping epoch event, I would also not waste time picking through the trash to hear opinions. I would p

If I were trying to govern during a generational, world stopping epoch event, I would also not waste time picking through the trash to hear opinions. I would put my trust in the people I knew were trained for this and adjust from there. I suspect many of these opinions are born from hindsight.

zmgsabst 1y ago
Really? Experts have a worse track record than open debate and the COVID censorship was directed at even experts who didn’t adhere to political choices — so to my eyes, you’re saying that you’d give in to authoritarian impulses and do worse.
- judahmeek 1y ago
  The problem with debate is that it hinders organized action. At some point in any emergency, organized action has to be prioritized over debate. Maybe that is still authoritarian, but they do say to have moderation in all things!
  - aianus 1y ago
    God forbid someone hinder some retarded organized action before enough peoples’ lives are ruined that our majestic rulers notice and gracefully decide to stop.
  - SV_BubbleTime 1y ago
    > The problem with debate is that it hinders organized action. Ah… so… ”we must do something! Even if it’s the wrong thing” Hot take.
  - zmgsabst 1y ago
    That’s not at all how you’re taught to handle emergencies. From health emergencies to shootings to computer system crashes to pandemics — doing things without a reason to believe they’ll improve the situation is dangerous. You can and many have made things worse. And ignoring experts shouting “wait, no!” is a recipe for disaster. When we were responding to COVID, we had plenty of time to have that debate in a candid way. We just went down an authoritarian path instead.
  - Gud 1y ago
    No it doesn't. It allows for correct action to be taken.
xboxnolifes 1y ago
Letting fringe theories exist on YouTube does not stop you from accessing the WHO or CDC website.
- fzeroracer 1y ago
  Those fringe theories have now embedded themselves into the government itself and directly have contributed to the rot of our public health institutions. So in many ways yes, they do.
  - xboxnolifes 1y ago
    That happened while Youtube was not allowing it as well.
- jdiff 1y ago
  Fringe theories existing and being allowed to persist has led to wide takedowns of information from government sites including the CDC.
themaninthedark 1y ago
Luckily, it is possible for you to just listen to those you trust. No need for you go pick through other people's opinions. I don't see how that turns into you needing to mandate what I read and who's opinions I hear.
- scuff3d 1y ago
  There has been a massive uptick in anti-vax rhetoric over the last decade. As a result some Americans have decided to not vaccinate, and we are seeing a resurgence in diseases that should be eradicated. I have a three month old son. At the time he was being born, in my city, there was an outbreak of one of those diseases that killed more then one kid. Don't tell me this stuff doesn't have a direct impact on people.

zmgsabst 1y ago

Really? Experts have a worse track record than open debate and the COVID censorship was directed at even experts who didn’t adhere to political choices — so to my eyes, you’re saying that you’d give in to authoritarian impulses and do worse.

judahmeek 1y ago
The problem with debate is that it hinders organized action. At some point in any emergency, organized action has to be prioritized over debate. Maybe that is still authoritarian, but they do say to have moderation in all things!
- aianus 1y ago
  God forbid someone hinder some retarded organized action before enough peoples’ lives are ruined that our majestic rulers notice and gracefully decide to stop.
- SV_BubbleTime 1y ago
  > The problem with debate is that it hinders organized action. Ah… so… ”we must do something! Even if it’s the wrong thing” Hot take.
- zmgsabst 1y ago
  That’s not at all how you’re taught to handle emergencies. From health emergencies to shootings to computer system crashes to pandemics — doing things without a reason to believe they’ll improve the situation is dangerous. You can and many have made things worse. And ignoring experts shouting “wait, no!” is a recipe for disaster. When we were responding to COVID, we had plenty of time to have that debate in a candid way. We just went down an authoritarian path instead.
- Gud 1y ago
  No it doesn't. It allows for correct action to be taken.

xboxnolifes 1y ago

Letting fringe theories exist on YouTube does not stop you from accessing the WHO or CDC website.

fzeroracer 1y ago
Those fringe theories have now embedded themselves into the government itself and directly have contributed to the rot of our public health institutions. So in many ways yes, they do.
- xboxnolifes 1y ago
  That happened while Youtube was not allowing it as well.
jdiff 1y ago
Fringe theories existing and being allowed to persist has led to wide takedowns of information from government sites including the CDC.

themaninthedark 1y ago

Luckily, it is possible for you to just listen to those you trust. No need for you go pick through other people's opinions. I don't see how that turns into you needing to mandate what I read and who's opinions I hear.

scuff3d 1y ago
There has been a massive uptick in anti-vax rhetoric over the last decade. As a result some Americans have decided to not vaccinate, and we are seeing a resurgence in diseases that should be eradicated. I have a three month old son. At the time he was being born, in my city, there was an outbreak of one of those diseases that killed more then one kid. Don't tell me this stuff doesn't have a direct impact on people.