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Safeway? Sure. Mom-and-Pops? Not usually. How are small restaurants going to get their ingredients delivered if delivery trucks can’t park? Ok maybe in some

by mc32 1y ago

Safeway? Sure. Mom-and-Pops? Not usually. How are small restaurants going to get their ingredients delivered if delivery trucks can’t park? Ok maybe in some locations they can park a few blocks away and deliver with hand trucks —but then they risk taking much more time to deliver and going back to a broken-in truck or van.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> How are small restaurants going to get their ingredients delivered if delivery trucks can’t park? The only city where this is a problem is New York, because we don’t have alleys in our densest neighbourhoods. And in New York, our solution is for folks to park illegally and the meter maids to print tickets which are treated as a business expense. In San Francisco, park in an alley, deliver at night, or park away from the site and use a scooter or whatnot to make the last mile. (Or eat the ticket.)
- MisterTea 1y ago
  > And in New York, our solution is for folks to park illegally, the meter maids to print tickets which are treated as a business expense. Its a sad game that has to be played. Used to have a family business and a good chunk of our business was in Manhattan. The fucking parking games were insane and it got to the point where we gave up and started charging a Manhattan fee that was the cost of a parking ticket. Another issue was dealing with cops directly chasing you when double parked which was unfortunately another commonly needed tactic. Even UPS and FedEx play the game. You see a driver got out, load up a cart with a few dozen boxes and head down the street all while a traffic cop is writing up a ticket. It's such a bozo city sometimes.
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > It's such a bozo city sometimes It’s a weird little ecosystem. If tickets were made more expensive, parking in lots and having smaller vehicles (probably bikes) fan out would make sense. If they were cheaper, you wouldn’t have all the meter maids. As a former Manhattan resident, I have to say, this was never a point of frustration. The illegally parked trucks tended to make quick stops on two-lane roads. Contrast that with getting stuck behind a fucking garbage truck going cross town…
mulmen 1y ago
In Seattle there are 3-minute load/unload areas in the commercial pockets. This is a solvable problem. It’s not even hard.
- mc32 1y ago
  This is reasonable and I would welcome this in cities in general. Make it 4 minutes. What I loathe is people double parking while there is a perfect spot half a block up or down. How can people be so absolutely lazy and inconsiderate? It’s baffling.
  - mulmen 1y ago
    Why 4 minutes? Why not 5 or 15 or 2? It’s not literally 3 minutes, it’s “3 minutes”. As in it’s subjective and meant as a short term load/unload area. It’s not designed around your strawman.

by mc32 1y ago

JumpCrisscross 1y ago

> How are small restaurants going to get their ingredients delivered if delivery trucks can’t park? The only city where this is a problem is New York, because we don’t have alleys in our densest neighbourhoods. And in New York, our solution is for folks to park illegally and the meter maids to print tickets which are treated as a business expense. In San Francisco, park in an alley, deliver at night, or park away from the site and use a scooter or whatnot to make the last mile. (Or eat the ticket.)

MisterTea 1y ago
> And in New York, our solution is for folks to park illegally, the meter maids to print tickets which are treated as a business expense. Its a sad game that has to be played. Used to have a family business and a good chunk of our business was in Manhattan. The fucking parking games were insane and it got to the point where we gave up and started charging a Manhattan fee that was the cost of a parking ticket. Another issue was dealing with cops directly chasing you when double parked which was unfortunately another commonly needed tactic. Even UPS and FedEx play the game. You see a driver got out, load up a cart with a few dozen boxes and head down the street all while a traffic cop is writing up a ticket. It's such a bozo city sometimes.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > It's such a bozo city sometimes It’s a weird little ecosystem. If tickets were made more expensive, parking in lots and having smaller vehicles (probably bikes) fan out would make sense. If they were cheaper, you wouldn’t have all the meter maids. As a former Manhattan resident, I have to say, this was never a point of frustration. The illegally parked trucks tended to make quick stops on two-lane roads. Contrast that with getting stuck behind a fucking garbage truck going cross town…

mulmen 1y ago

In Seattle there are 3-minute load/unload areas in the commercial pockets. This is a solvable problem. It’s not even hard.

mc32 1y ago
This is reasonable and I would welcome this in cities in general. Make it 4 minutes. What I loathe is people double parking while there is a perfect spot half a block up or down. How can people be so absolutely lazy and inconsiderate? It’s baffling.
- mulmen 1y ago
  Why 4 minutes? Why not 5 or 15 or 2? It’s not literally 3 minutes, it’s “3 minutes”. As in it’s subjective and meant as a short term load/unload area. It’s not designed around your strawman.