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Tom Stuart gave a really good lightning talk about this a decade ago, which is very respectful and has aged well https://tomstu.art/the-dhh-problem https://toms

Tom Stuart gave a really good lightning talk about this a decade ago, which is very respectful and has aged well https://tomstu.art/the-dhh-problem https://tomstu.art/the-dhh-problem It's not just about his politics. DHH is reactionary, mean, dismissive of others' opinions. He acts more like a high school bully than a leader. Since then, DHH has gone off the deep end with xenophobic, racist, and transphobic comments. I was drawn to the Ruby community because of its kindness and creativity, with people like why the lucky stiff and Jim Weirich. It is a lot less welcoming when DHH repeatedly uses his platform to say that I shouldn't exist or have equal rights.

leosanchez 1y ago
> It is a lot less welcoming when DHH repeatedly uses his platform to say that I shouldn't exist or have equal rights. Can you point to any of his blog posts that says this ?
- disiplus 1y ago
  He is not stupid enough to say that directly bit it's one google away to find stuff like. I follow him on Twitter and guy is a bully and has opinions about stuff he has 0 knowledge about. https://world.hey.com/dhh/the-social-media-censorship-era-is-over-for-now-c28c82f2?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://world.hey.com/dhh/the-social-media-censorship-era-is...
  - ecshafer 1y ago
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    - disiplus 1y ago
      There are more Like this one. You don't even have to read between the lines to see what is his attitude. https://world.hey.com/dhh/gender-and-sexuality-alliances-in-primary-school-at-cis-97f66c06?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://world.hey.com/dhh/gender-and-sexuality-alliances-in-...
      - liveoneggs 1y ago
        the objections shown here seem quite reasonable and, apparently, reflect the will of the parents. Omnicause stuff isn't popular.
      - ecshafer 1y ago
        What percentage of people and parents in the world do you think agree with DHH here? My guess would be around 95%. I dont see any issues with his arguments, that is wholly inappropriate for schools.
      - lemmsjid 1y ago
        Interesting. Things I think of as quite reasonable, though certainly with counter arguments, are to him fundamentally preposterous and not even worthy of reasonable consideration. My kid goes to a very liberal California school. The main difference between it and my school growing up is that it is no longer acceptable to ostracize or beat up lgbtq kids or kids who are different in other ways. Part of that is because, gasp, the school builds acceptance into the curriculum. I wish I grew up now, it’s such a nicer time to be a weird nerd.
      - gsinclair 1y ago
        More power to DHH’s pen, in this case. What he has written is not remotely controversial, but some will use it as evidence that he is trans-phobic.
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- mplewis 1y ago
  Yeah, how about the one where he says Tommy Robinson was right? https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64 https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64
prepend 1y ago
How is his code? I guess I’m so old that I remember not paying much attention to personal lives and looking at code contributions and collaboration behavior. I think that being a sensitive collaborator who builds changes was more relevant than swearing at people or saying rude things. I once worked for a company where one developer hit another in the face with a keyboard. Was it wrong, yes of course. But we still delivered a pretty decent product. I don’t really care if you, or others feel I should exist or not. Or whether they think I should or shouldn’t have rights, unless you mean permissions to change and maintain code.
- marcinzm 1y ago
  Supporting people that want to and are pushing for the government to kill you and your loved ones seems like such an odd thing for someone to do. Not even sure how to describe it.
- amanaplanacanal 1y ago
  Unfortunately, in the current political climate the stakes are much higher.
- jmcgough 1y ago
  > I don’t really care if you, or others feel I should exist or not. Or whether they think I should or shouldn’t have rights Yes, but you don't really need to worry, because those things aren't a real threat to you. Imagine if you were a member of a minority group making up 1% of the population, with a government actively persecuting you.
  - brigandish 1y ago
    Is DHH part of the government, one that is actively persecuting a minority? If not, then you're talking about someone who is not in power and not persecuting a minority (or anyone). How is that relevant?
arresin 1y ago
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- scuff3d 1y ago
  Not wanting to work with a racist asshole isn't cancel culture. It's common sense. Also, this isn't a new fucking phenomenon. I remember when Ellen DeGeneres came out as gay (before everyone knew what an ass she was), and it nearly destroyed her career. Or when the Dixie Chicks dared to criticized George Bush and it did ruin their career. The same people complaining about cancel culture now we're the ones doing the cancelling then.
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sleight42 1y ago
I got into Ruby and the community in 2006. I aspired to be like Jim. We all should. He made time for anyone who wanted to engage him in a sincere discussion. He helped a lot of newer people. He wrote beautiful tools that we still use. He embodied MINASWAN. That has been the core of Ruby's community. DHH has been pretty damn far from that. Did many of us find Ruby through Rails? Sure. Does that mean that Ruby should be stewarded by someone who is intolerant and therefore exclusionary? No. That's the opposite of MINASWAN.

leosanchez 1y ago

> It is a lot less welcoming when DHH repeatedly uses his platform to say that I shouldn't exist or have equal rights. Can you point to any of his blog posts that says this ?

disiplus 1y ago
He is not stupid enough to say that directly bit it's one google away to find stuff like. I follow him on Twitter and guy is a bully and has opinions about stuff he has 0 knowledge about. https://world.hey.com/dhh/the-social-media-censorship-era-is-over-for-now-c28c82f2?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://world.hey.com/dhh/the-social-media-censorship-era-is...
- ecshafer 1y ago
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  - disiplus 1y ago
    There are more Like this one. You don't even have to read between the lines to see what is his attitude. https://world.hey.com/dhh/gender-and-sexuality-alliances-in-primary-school-at-cis-97f66c06?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://world.hey.com/dhh/gender-and-sexuality-alliances-in-...
    - liveoneggs 1y ago
      the objections shown here seem quite reasonable and, apparently, reflect the will of the parents. Omnicause stuff isn't popular.
    - ecshafer 1y ago
      What percentage of people and parents in the world do you think agree with DHH here? My guess would be around 95%. I dont see any issues with his arguments, that is wholly inappropriate for schools.
    - lemmsjid 1y ago
      Interesting. Things I think of as quite reasonable, though certainly with counter arguments, are to him fundamentally preposterous and not even worthy of reasonable consideration. My kid goes to a very liberal California school. The main difference between it and my school growing up is that it is no longer acceptable to ostracize or beat up lgbtq kids or kids who are different in other ways. Part of that is because, gasp, the school builds acceptance into the curriculum. I wish I grew up now, it’s such a nicer time to be a weird nerd.
    - gsinclair 1y ago
      More power to DHH’s pen, in this case. What he has written is not remotely controversial, but some will use it as evidence that he is trans-phobic.
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mplewis 1y ago
Yeah, how about the one where he says Tommy Robinson was right? https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64 https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64

prepend 1y ago

How is his code? I guess I’m so old that I remember not paying much attention to personal lives and looking at code contributions and collaboration behavior. I think that being a sensitive collaborator who builds changes was more relevant than swearing at people or saying rude things. I once worked for a company where one developer hit another in the face with a keyboard. Was it wrong, yes of course. But we still delivered a pretty decent product. I don’t really care if you, or others feel I should exist or not. Or whether they think I should or shouldn’t have rights, unless you mean permissions to change and maintain code.

marcinzm 1y ago
Supporting people that want to and are pushing for the government to kill you and your loved ones seems like such an odd thing for someone to do. Not even sure how to describe it.
amanaplanacanal 1y ago
Unfortunately, in the current political climate the stakes are much higher.
jmcgough 1y ago
> I don’t really care if you, or others feel I should exist or not. Or whether they think I should or shouldn’t have rights Yes, but you don't really need to worry, because those things aren't a real threat to you. Imagine if you were a member of a minority group making up 1% of the population, with a government actively persecuting you.
- brigandish 1y ago
  Is DHH part of the government, one that is actively persecuting a minority? If not, then you're talking about someone who is not in power and not persecuting a minority (or anyone). How is that relevant?

arresin 1y ago

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scuff3d 1y ago
Not wanting to work with a racist asshole isn't cancel culture. It's common sense. Also, this isn't a new fucking phenomenon. I remember when Ellen DeGeneres came out as gay (before everyone knew what an ass she was), and it nearly destroyed her career. Or when the Dixie Chicks dared to criticized George Bush and it did ruin their career. The same people complaining about cancel culture now we're the ones doing the cancelling then.
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sleight42 1y ago

I got into Ruby and the community in 2006. I aspired to be like Jim. We all should. He made time for anyone who wanted to engage him in a sincere discussion. He helped a lot of newer people. He wrote beautiful tools that we still use. He embodied MINASWAN. That has been the core of Ruby's community. DHH has been pretty damn far from that. Did many of us find Ruby through Rails? Sure. Does that mean that Ruby should be stewarded by someone who is intolerant and therefore exclusionary? No. That's the opposite of MINASWAN.