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>with the justification that by making their citizens lives horrific, you encourage them to rise against their government. That's the PR justification. The rea

>with the justification that by making their citizens lives horrific, you encourage them to rise against their government. That's the PR justification. The real one is "to hurt the countries and make them do as we say" and "because we can".

username332211 1y ago
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- sporkxrocket 1y ago
  This is an ultra simplistic take. Iran does not like the role the US has in propping up Israel, entirely rational and understandable. Israel may not be recognized by our government as a "sworn enemy" but it's done infinitely more damage to the US and US citizens than Iran has. The only reason they're not sanctioned is because one of the ways Israel attacks the US is through bribery (AIPAC) and blackmail (Epstein).
  - vorpalhex 1y ago
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    - sporkxrocket 1y ago
      Israel literally killed 4 Americans two days ago.
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        sporkxrocket 1y ago
        Incorrect, Israel killed an entire American family: https://www.msn.com/en-us/war-and-conflicts/military/four-americans-including-three-children-killed-in-israeli-strike-in-lebanon/ar-AA1N1P1c https://www.msn.com/en-us/war-and-conflicts/military/four-am... DHS nor the IDF are credible sources and neither have backed up their claims. That’s pure propaganda on their end.
        vorpalhex 1y ago
        Ah yes, The Daily Express, well known and very solid source. Here's CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/21/middleeast/israeli-strike-lebanon-us-citizens-killed-latam-intl https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/21/middleeast/israeli-strike-leb... Also from The Daily Express: Cinnamon cures Alzheimers: https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/common-kitchen-spice-may-reverse-alzheimer-s-disease-in-groundbreaking-revelation/ar-AA1N9BjW?cvid=58feb480346d49b3dfc2757c88a635f5&ei=20 https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/common-kitchen-spice-... What time is Rapture today: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/what-time-is-rapture-today-and-eye-opening-connection-to-donald-trump/ar-AA1N98eD?cvid=58feb480346d49b3dfc2757c88a635f5&ei=24 https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/what-time-is-rapture-... and no less than eight stories about the Presley family: https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebrity/priscilla-presley-reveals-the-four-words-she-dreams-of-saying-to-lisa-marie/ar-AA1N7HQt?cvid=58feb480346d49b3dfc2757c88a635f5&ei=46 https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebrity/priscilla-presley-rev... If you believe the AI slop news shop over government agencies, please make sure your psychiatrist is aware so they can dose your meds as appropriate.
        sporkxrocket 1y ago
        The CNN article is just parroting IDF propaganda about the killings being “disputed” (by the murderers) with zero proof to back up that assertion.
  - 1234letshaveatw 1y ago
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    - cramsession 1y ago
      Israel will be dissolved as the older generations die off. At that point we can fully remove ourselves from the Middle East. It's not our oil anyway, let's focus on other energy sources that don't require propping up synthetic states and causing worldwide terror.
  - deanishe 1y ago
    > The only reason they're not sanctioned Aren't a lot of your religious fundies Zionists because the believe Jesus isn't coming back unless there are Jews in the Levant?
simianparrot 1y ago
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- bichiliad 1y ago
  This is extremely reductive. Just as OP doesn’t support Russia in its war against Ukraine, and just as many US citizens don’t support America’s actions abroad, there aren’t any countries that teach their kids to chant “death to America” for the fun of it. Not to mention the fact that there are options that aren’t “economic oppression” or “war.”
  - simianparrot 1y ago
    Why would "for the fun of it" be a prerequisite for it to be bad..? If someone shouts "death to <my name>" from across the street, I take it _very_ seriously. I fully understand the history between Iran and the US, but you you can't have suicidal empathy with an enemy state that trains its people to want you dead.
    - somenameforme 1y ago
      If you visit Iran (or pretty much anywhere) as an American you'll have zero issues with the people. Here [1] is a thread of various people visiting Iran, and it's 100% typical. The average Iranian has no problems with an American than anybody else - they have a problem with the American government. And the two are obviously two extremely different things. The one piece of advice that shouldn't need to be said, but does, is that when traveling to Rome you need to do as the Romans do. You probably would have problems if e.g. you bring a homosexual partner along and make that relationship apparent in public, are a woman who tries go without a hijab, etc. Be respectful of the culture, and people will be respectful of you - regardless of where you happen to come from. [1] - https://www.reddit.com/r/travel/comments/111xz3l/comment/j8pla2x/ https://www.reddit.com/r/travel/comments/111xz3l/comment/j8p...
      - simianparrot 1y ago
        And I wrote that the US is at war with an enemy _state_. The state represents its people, but it is not _all of_ the people. I always see people derailing these discussions in this manner when it's always patently obvious that we aren't conflating the two.

username332211 1y ago

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sporkxrocket 1y ago
This is an ultra simplistic take. Iran does not like the role the US has in propping up Israel, entirely rational and understandable. Israel may not be recognized by our government as a "sworn enemy" but it's done infinitely more damage to the US and US citizens than Iran has. The only reason they're not sanctioned is because one of the ways Israel attacks the US is through bribery (AIPAC) and blackmail (Epstein).
- vorpalhex 1y ago
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  - sporkxrocket 1y ago
    Israel literally killed 4 Americans two days ago.
    - vorpalhex 1y ago
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      - sporkxrocket 1y ago
        Incorrect, Israel killed an entire American family: https://www.msn.com/en-us/war-and-conflicts/military/four-americans-including-three-children-killed-in-israeli-strike-in-lebanon/ar-AA1N1P1c https://www.msn.com/en-us/war-and-conflicts/military/four-am... DHS nor the IDF are credible sources and neither have backed up their claims. That’s pure propaganda on their end.
        vorpalhex 1y ago
        Ah yes, The Daily Express, well known and very solid source. Here's CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/21/middleeast/israeli-strike-lebanon-us-citizens-killed-latam-intl https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/21/middleeast/israeli-strike-leb... Also from The Daily Express: Cinnamon cures Alzheimers: https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/common-kitchen-spice-may-reverse-alzheimer-s-disease-in-groundbreaking-revelation/ar-AA1N9BjW?cvid=58feb480346d49b3dfc2757c88a635f5&ei=20 https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/common-kitchen-spice-... What time is Rapture today: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/what-time-is-rapture-today-and-eye-opening-connection-to-donald-trump/ar-AA1N98eD?cvid=58feb480346d49b3dfc2757c88a635f5&ei=24 https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/what-time-is-rapture-... and no less than eight stories about the Presley family: https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebrity/priscilla-presley-reveals-the-four-words-she-dreams-of-saying-to-lisa-marie/ar-AA1N7HQt?cvid=58feb480346d49b3dfc2757c88a635f5&ei=46 https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebrity/priscilla-presley-rev... If you believe the AI slop news shop over government agencies, please make sure your psychiatrist is aware so they can dose your meds as appropriate.
        sporkxrocket 1y ago
        The CNN article is just parroting IDF propaganda about the killings being “disputed” (by the murderers) with zero proof to back up that assertion.
- 1234letshaveatw 1y ago
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- username332211 1y ago
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  - cramsession 1y ago
    Israel will be dissolved as the older generations die off. At that point we can fully remove ourselves from the Middle East. It's not our oil anyway, let's focus on other energy sources that don't require propping up synthetic states and causing worldwide terror.
- deanishe 1y ago
  > The only reason they're not sanctioned Aren't a lot of your religious fundies Zionists because the believe Jesus isn't coming back unless there are Jews in the Levant?

simianparrot 1y ago

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bichiliad 1y ago
This is extremely reductive. Just as OP doesn’t support Russia in its war against Ukraine, and just as many US citizens don’t support America’s actions abroad, there aren’t any countries that teach their kids to chant “death to America” for the fun of it. Not to mention the fact that there are options that aren’t “economic oppression” or “war.”
- simianparrot 1y ago
  Why would "for the fun of it" be a prerequisite for it to be bad..? If someone shouts "death to <my name>" from across the street, I take it _very_ seriously. I fully understand the history between Iran and the US, but you you can't have suicidal empathy with an enemy state that trains its people to want you dead.
  - somenameforme 1y ago
    If you visit Iran (or pretty much anywhere) as an American you'll have zero issues with the people. Here [1] is a thread of various people visiting Iran, and it's 100% typical. The average Iranian has no problems with an American than anybody else - they have a problem with the American government. And the two are obviously two extremely different things. The one piece of advice that shouldn't need to be said, but does, is that when traveling to Rome you need to do as the Romans do. You probably would have problems if e.g. you bring a homosexual partner along and make that relationship apparent in public, are a woman who tries go without a hijab, etc. Be respectful of the culture, and people will be respectful of you - regardless of where you happen to come from. [1] - https://www.reddit.com/r/travel/comments/111xz3l/comment/j8pla2x/ https://www.reddit.com/r/travel/comments/111xz3l/comment/j8p...
    - simianparrot 1y ago
      And I wrote that the US is at war with an enemy _state_. The state represents its people, but it is not _all of_ the people. I always see people derailing these discussions in this manner when it's always patently obvious that we aren't conflating the two.