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Who is "you"? The US government doesn't reflect the majority of Americans, at all. It reflects capital interests - which the majority of Americans are not. Maj

Who is "you"? The US government doesn't reflect the majority of Americans, at all. It reflects capital interests - which the majority of Americans are not. Majority of Americans are laborers.

Xelbair 1y ago
it was voted in by majority, no matter what mental gymnastics you do. People either voted, or decided that their vote was worthless enough.
- kelnos 1y ago
  Out of available US presidential, House, and Senate candidates, there is essentially no realistic electoral outcome where the people put into power will lift Iranian sanctions. Representative democracy doesn't mean that every possible policy could be enacted by some realistic configuration of elected representatives, even if any particular policy is supported by a majority of the electorate.
  - Xelbair 1y ago
    >Representative democracy doesn't mean that every possible policy could be enacted by some realistic configuration of elected representatives, even if any particular policy is supported by a majority of the electorate. that is only true if you flatten your system to two parties.
    - School-Cotton 1y ago
      > that is only true if you flatten your system to two parties. Again with the "you". "We" did not flatten anything into anything; we were born into an unfair and broken system that we have no power to change.
      - MarceColl 1y ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_you https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_you
        School-Cotton 1y ago
        Huh? This is a completely different thing.
      - Xelbair 1y ago
        blame English language on lack of distinction between plural(referring to 'your society' in this case) and singular you. I don't think that's a hard concept to grasp.
        School-Cotton 1y ago
        No, this has nothing to do with English grammar. I understand that you are using "you" in the plural, here. What I reject is the premise that "Americans" is an identifiable group that is collectively responsible for any particular thing, extending to people who never supported or voted for that thing. This is a philosophical disagreement, not an issue of language.
        Xelbair 1y ago
        In democratic system(please spare me "we're republic not a democracy" adage that every American spewes) every citizen votes, and shares responsibility in decision making process. You can become politically active and try to convince others if you don't like current status quo, inaction is also a choice. Unless you think US isn't a democratic country but authoritarian one(either oligarchy, technocracy or whatever - does not matter) then it is definitely not a philosophical disagreement, but lack of responsibility and wishful thinking.
        School-Cotton 1y ago
        > every citizen votes, and shares responsibility in decision making process Why? I never consented to be a part of the system, don't agree with it, and in practice can do nothing to change it. Saying I'm responsible for it because I happened to be arbitrarily born with a particular citizenship is meaningless. > In democratic system... There is no reason why I, an unrelated individual, should have to ascribe to the ideals espoused by proponents of the system imposed on me without my consent.
    - pirates 1y ago
      But you know that in this case it’s true since the discussion is about the US in particular. So this “enlightened” take is really just snide time wasting.
- dns_snek 1y ago
  Who voted on this issue and how many options did they have (on this issue)? The answers are "approximately zero" and "just one". There was no choice when it came to this issue. Our western "democracies" aren't nearly as democratic as people like to believe.
- School-Cotton 1y ago
  Whether to have sanctions against Iran has never been on the ballot in the US.
- deleted 1y ago
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MarceColl 1y ago
Maybe I'm wrong but it sounds like a generic "you", not talking about you specifically https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_you https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_you

Who is "you"? The US government doesn't reflect the majority of Americans, at all. It reflects capital interests - which the majority of Americans are not. Majority of Americans are laborers.

Xelbair 1y ago

it was voted in by majority, no matter what mental gymnastics you do. People either voted, or decided that their vote was worthless enough.

kelnos 1y ago
Out of available US presidential, House, and Senate candidates, there is essentially no realistic electoral outcome where the people put into power will lift Iranian sanctions. Representative democracy doesn't mean that every possible policy could be enacted by some realistic configuration of elected representatives, even if any particular policy is supported by a majority of the electorate.
- Xelbair 1y ago
  >Representative democracy doesn't mean that every possible policy could be enacted by some realistic configuration of elected representatives, even if any particular policy is supported by a majority of the electorate. that is only true if you flatten your system to two parties.
  - School-Cotton 1y ago
    > that is only true if you flatten your system to two parties. Again with the "you". "We" did not flatten anything into anything; we were born into an unfair and broken system that we have no power to change.
    - MarceColl 1y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_you https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_you
      - School-Cotton 1y ago
        Huh? This is a completely different thing.
    - Xelbair 1y ago
      blame English language on lack of distinction between plural(referring to 'your society' in this case) and singular you. I don't think that's a hard concept to grasp.
      - School-Cotton 1y ago
        No, this has nothing to do with English grammar. I understand that you are using "you" in the plural, here. What I reject is the premise that "Americans" is an identifiable group that is collectively responsible for any particular thing, extending to people who never supported or voted for that thing. This is a philosophical disagreement, not an issue of language.
        Xelbair 1y ago
        In democratic system(please spare me "we're republic not a democracy" adage that every American spewes) every citizen votes, and shares responsibility in decision making process. You can become politically active and try to convince others if you don't like current status quo, inaction is also a choice. Unless you think US isn't a democratic country but authoritarian one(either oligarchy, technocracy or whatever - does not matter) then it is definitely not a philosophical disagreement, but lack of responsibility and wishful thinking.
        School-Cotton 1y ago
        > every citizen votes, and shares responsibility in decision making process Why? I never consented to be a part of the system, don't agree with it, and in practice can do nothing to change it. Saying I'm responsible for it because I happened to be arbitrarily born with a particular citizenship is meaningless. > In democratic system... There is no reason why I, an unrelated individual, should have to ascribe to the ideals espoused by proponents of the system imposed on me without my consent.
  - pirates 1y ago
    But you know that in this case it’s true since the discussion is about the US in particular. So this “enlightened” take is really just snide time wasting.
dns_snek 1y ago
Who voted on this issue and how many options did they have (on this issue)? The answers are "approximately zero" and "just one". There was no choice when it came to this issue. Our western "democracies" aren't nearly as democratic as people like to believe.
School-Cotton 1y ago
Whether to have sanctions against Iran has never been on the ballot in the US.
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MarceColl 1y ago

Maybe I'm wrong but it sounds like a generic "you", not talking about you specifically https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_you https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_you