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Encouraging others with positivity to be kind is rarely a bad thing. Dismissing others that try to spread positivity is rarely a good thing.

zwnow 1y ago
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- vincnetas 1y ago
  don't you want to be in the world where people are kind? or you rather be in a world where everyone is selfish? Heard of categorical imperative?
  - zwnow 1y ago
    Yes I heard of it. Considering we already live in a selfish world, while people preach to be kind just shows me how ignorant people are. Kindness is something the poor or the sick need. Coming from the poorer side of things I never received kindness. I've seen my mum struggle in life just to get me and my brother some new clothing. People are pretentious and while a small few geow richer and richer, we are out here coping with "be kind" instead of actually making things better. Kindness is an illusion.
    - mingabunga 1y ago
      Well, your view (and others) will be skewed by your upbringing and experiences. I value kindness.
    - komali2 1y ago
      This is an insight I always want to explore more. I believe that virtue signalling neoliberalism (the dominant ideology regardless of political party in all western democracies - basically, capitalism good) has done tremendous harm by wearing the clothes of various unselfish ideologies while being incredibly selfish. I agree with you, it's disgustingly condescending for a society to wag its finger at you and preach that you should be kind to one another while it turns around and sends its cops to harass you in your neighborhood, or to take from you taxes and give you little in return and instead spend it bombing people you don't know, or enforces upon you what work you are or aren't allowed to do or when. What I wonder at is the failure of people who actually ascribe to unselfish value systems to prevent this false form from speaking for them and becoming the true form in the eyes of everyone. No wonder you find it inherently contradictory! I wonder how those of us that actually ascribe to unselfish value systems might recover our ideologies from this libel.
- peepee1982 1y ago
  You're confusing kindness with being a pushover. You can be kind and self-respecting at the same time. Your last two comments here make me suspect you suffer from some kind of traumatic abuse you haven't had the chance to poperly recover from yet.
  - zwnow 1y ago
    I gave up on humans and this system. There are no good experiences to be made with others. Everything is a transaction nowadays and there is no altruism. Believe it or not, I am an altruist because I dont care anymore. I dont expect anything from anyone, I dont strive to be happy because its impossible to be happy with the current state of the world (at least im not ignorant enough to try and be happy). I am nice to all people. I do shit for people all the time, but deep down I am ready to jump in front of a train once my mother dies. In my country the rich preach "WE DONT WORK ENOUGH!!!!" without any public response. People gave up, we are locked in a system voting for people that don't represent our interests. We are approaching doomsday without doing anything against it, because it doesn't generate money. I'm just tired so I LARP my way through life until I finally grow the balls to end it.
    - komali2 1y ago
      > but deep down I am ready to jump in front of a train once my mother dies. I have a similar ideology to yours but I'm not sad like this because I'm not experiencing what appears to be clinical depression. You should seek medical intervention, it saved my life and it might save yours, which is worth saving. Intervention didn't pull the wool over my eyes about how flawed our society is or how selfish neoliberal capitalism tries to force everyone to be, it just gave me the psychological tools to maintain enough optimism to keep me alive and having enough energy to try to make changes, even if they're small local ones. > People gave up, we are locked in a system voting for people that don't represent our interests. There are other ways to live. Just because a huge majority of people live in these systems doesn't mean you have to as well, plenty have "opted out" without ending their lives. You could find some people living alternatively through a Food Not Bombs chapter near you, or some other anarchistic or alternative living group. The dominant social structure isn't designed for people like you and me to thrive and be ourselves and so it's totally ok to find other people like us that want to live differently and let everyone else do whatever bizarre thing they're going to do with these enforced ways of living modern society presents.
- komali2 1y ago
  > According to? General consensus. Also it seems to lead to more stable societies when people are kind to eachother. That creates mutual safety and comfort. Humans are uncomfortable with constant conflict and violence. Doing things that lead to that are wrong. You're right in that there's no god or universal measure against which we can say that being good is Good and being bad is Bad, we have to just throw our hands up and pick, luckily humans mostly agree and so picking being Good isn't inherently a conflict-causing thing, except to those who prefer people are constantly at war with eachother. I'm perfectly fine saying those folks that prefer that are valid in their way of thinking, but invalid in trying to apply it, and therefore should be stopped. > Being kind is being weak. Well it's a bit silly for you to argue against universal morality and then argue for universal concepts of strength and weakness. Anyway I disagree, being kind takes tremendous strength. > It forces you into situations u dont wanna be in in the first place. Ah! Being kind doesn't always mean saying "yes," sometimes it just means saying "no" instead of shouting it.

zwnow 1y ago

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vincnetas 1y ago
don't you want to be in the world where people are kind? or you rather be in a world where everyone is selfish? Heard of categorical imperative?
- zwnow 1y ago
  Yes I heard of it. Considering we already live in a selfish world, while people preach to be kind just shows me how ignorant people are. Kindness is something the poor or the sick need. Coming from the poorer side of things I never received kindness. I've seen my mum struggle in life just to get me and my brother some new clothing. People are pretentious and while a small few geow richer and richer, we are out here coping with "be kind" instead of actually making things better. Kindness is an illusion.
  - mingabunga 1y ago
    Well, your view (and others) will be skewed by your upbringing and experiences. I value kindness.
  - komali2 1y ago
    This is an insight I always want to explore more. I believe that virtue signalling neoliberalism (the dominant ideology regardless of political party in all western democracies - basically, capitalism good) has done tremendous harm by wearing the clothes of various unselfish ideologies while being incredibly selfish. I agree with you, it's disgustingly condescending for a society to wag its finger at you and preach that you should be kind to one another while it turns around and sends its cops to harass you in your neighborhood, or to take from you taxes and give you little in return and instead spend it bombing people you don't know, or enforces upon you what work you are or aren't allowed to do or when. What I wonder at is the failure of people who actually ascribe to unselfish value systems to prevent this false form from speaking for them and becoming the true form in the eyes of everyone. No wonder you find it inherently contradictory! I wonder how those of us that actually ascribe to unselfish value systems might recover our ideologies from this libel.
peepee1982 1y ago
You're confusing kindness with being a pushover. You can be kind and self-respecting at the same time. Your last two comments here make me suspect you suffer from some kind of traumatic abuse you haven't had the chance to poperly recover from yet.
- zwnow 1y ago
  I gave up on humans and this system. There are no good experiences to be made with others. Everything is a transaction nowadays and there is no altruism. Believe it or not, I am an altruist because I dont care anymore. I dont expect anything from anyone, I dont strive to be happy because its impossible to be happy with the current state of the world (at least im not ignorant enough to try and be happy). I am nice to all people. I do shit for people all the time, but deep down I am ready to jump in front of a train once my mother dies. In my country the rich preach "WE DONT WORK ENOUGH!!!!" without any public response. People gave up, we are locked in a system voting for people that don't represent our interests. We are approaching doomsday without doing anything against it, because it doesn't generate money. I'm just tired so I LARP my way through life until I finally grow the balls to end it.
  - komali2 1y ago
    > but deep down I am ready to jump in front of a train once my mother dies. I have a similar ideology to yours but I'm not sad like this because I'm not experiencing what appears to be clinical depression. You should seek medical intervention, it saved my life and it might save yours, which is worth saving. Intervention didn't pull the wool over my eyes about how flawed our society is or how selfish neoliberal capitalism tries to force everyone to be, it just gave me the psychological tools to maintain enough optimism to keep me alive and having enough energy to try to make changes, even if they're small local ones. > People gave up, we are locked in a system voting for people that don't represent our interests. There are other ways to live. Just because a huge majority of people live in these systems doesn't mean you have to as well, plenty have "opted out" without ending their lives. You could find some people living alternatively through a Food Not Bombs chapter near you, or some other anarchistic or alternative living group. The dominant social structure isn't designed for people like you and me to thrive and be ourselves and so it's totally ok to find other people like us that want to live differently and let everyone else do whatever bizarre thing they're going to do with these enforced ways of living modern society presents.
komali2 1y ago
> According to? General consensus. Also it seems to lead to more stable societies when people are kind to eachother. That creates mutual safety and comfort. Humans are uncomfortable with constant conflict and violence. Doing things that lead to that are wrong. You're right in that there's no god or universal measure against which we can say that being good is Good and being bad is Bad, we have to just throw our hands up and pick, luckily humans mostly agree and so picking being Good isn't inherently a conflict-causing thing, except to those who prefer people are constantly at war with eachother. I'm perfectly fine saying those folks that prefer that are valid in their way of thinking, but invalid in trying to apply it, and therefore should be stopped. > Being kind is being weak. Well it's a bit silly for you to argue against universal morality and then argue for universal concepts of strength and weakness. Anyway I disagree, being kind takes tremendous strength. > It forces you into situations u dont wanna be in in the first place. Ah! Being kind doesn't always mean saying "yes," sometimes it just means saying "no" instead of shouting it.