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These sanctions are not really effective. I think Cuba is the country that has had them for the most amount of time and... Nothing changed. Instead they force t

These sanctions are not really effective. I think Cuba is the country that has had them for the most amount of time and... Nothing changed. Instead they force them to develop in house tech which may be better for them in the long term

preisschild 1y ago
> Nothing changed This is not true. The sanctions definitely hurt countries like Cuba or Russia. They have a far harder time growing their economy. Cuba is stuck in the last century and often has total blackouts that last for days. Russia needs to beg countries like Iran or North Korea now for imports.
- reeredfdfdf 1y ago
  Yet the ruling elites and military still enjoy decent quality of life, it´s mostly the ordinary people who suffer. In case of Russia that´s okay since large parts of the population genuinely support the war, but I´m not so sure about Iran and Cuba, where most are not supportive of their governments anyway.
  - jazzyjackson 1y ago
    The point isn't necessarily to make leadership suffer, but rather to prevent suffering of everyone who might be threatened by a strong Cuba/Iran/North Korea
    - olelele 1y ago
      In case of Cuba I think the sanctions regime is in part motivated by vindictiveness and in part to make an example for other nations in the americas of what happens when you evade US hegemony..
- nlitened 1y ago
  Russian economy is booming actually, thanks to continued purchasing of oil and gas by Europe and other parts of the world, and the sanctions that block capital outflow out of the country.
  - mschuster91 1y ago
    > Russian economy is booming actually Mostly the military, from what I hear. The rest of the economy is in shambles [1]. No matter what: once the war in Ukraine is over by whatever solution, it's going to get nasty. Either Putin (or, more likely, his successor - the dude is old and it's by far not sure if he will be able to stay in power should the war end up bad for Russia) manages to turn around the economy once again from producing tanks and other instruments of war to a regular economy, or they'll keep it that way... and attack another country with all that firepower. [1] https://kyivindependent.com/amid-dwindling-economy-number-of-russian-businesses-falls-to-lowest-levels-since-2010-foreign-intelligence-says/ https://kyivindependent.com/amid-dwindling-economy-number-of...
    - int_19h 1y ago
      There's a trickle down effect from it, same as with all massive government spending. Those factory workers who now have cushy jobs with large paychecks assembling tanks and cruise missiles then go and spend that money on other things.
trhway 1y ago
If the sanctions weren't effective Russia wouldn't be insisting on the lifting of the sanctions as a part of any Ukrainian deal. The sanctions significantly slow down Russian development and are more and more making it into just a mineral mining satellite of China. With time the weakened Russia would just split, and the large eastern part will go to China. Some midparts, with Turkic speaking population may even fall into Turkey orbit. Without the oil and gas rich East, the European part of Russia will be just a destitute village on the far margins of civilized Europe as it had been for centuries in the past.
- jbstack 1y ago
  > If the sanctions weren't effective Russia wouldn't be insisting on the lifting of the sanctions as a part of any Ukrainian deal. If the sanctions were effective Russia wouldn't be offering entirely one-sided deals that it knows nobody is going to accept, because it would be desperate enough to get those sanctions lifted that it would actually have to concede something in a deal.
  - trhway 1y ago
    Sanctions don't prevent the short-term behavior. Russia thinks that it is winning in Ukraine - thus the one-sided deals, it isn't about the other side accepting it, for Russia it is about Russia forcing such a deal, and it always includes lifting of the sanctions as a key element of a deal that Russia is trying to force because even with traditional lack of long-term vision they understand that the sanctions are crippling the country. They think that winning the war, forcing such a one-sided deal, is the only way to get the sanctions lifted "cleanly", and any deal with concessions, etc. would look less than victorious and would probably have the sanctions lift incomplete/incremental and boggled down with conditions, etc.
wojciii 1y ago
Ukrainian sanctions work. Ask a russian about the price of fuel. The European sanctions are more of a joke. I you want to Ukraine to win donate to them directly instead of waiting for the cowardly politicians to get their act together.
- orbital-decay 1y ago
  Answering that specific question, 98 jumped up 16% this spring and... that's it. Except for that, it's an ordinary curve compared to, say, 5 years ago. And that's mostly the result of actually bombing the refineries.
  - wojciii 1y ago
    I meant sanctions which are bombing russian refineries. So they stories no fuel in Russia are just propaganda?
    - orbital-decay 1y ago
      Oh, makes sense. Depends on the claim - some are, some aren't. The problem obviously exists, but the coverup is good enough to make lots of people think that the war happens on another planet and doesn't affect them (e.g. gasoline export ban).
      - wojciii 1y ago
        "In breaking news, Russia is extending the complete ban on all petrol exports through the rest of 2025 for producers and distributors, and is banning diesel exports for distributors. Fuel shortages have spread to almost all of Russia, with the Ministry of Energy insisting that “all necessary measures are being taken to ensure the timely and uninterrupted supply of all essential fuel.”" This story is getting better and better. The above quite is from Malcontent News.
    - int_19h 1y ago
      That's not sanctions, that's just warfare. And yes, if US and EU were serious about helping Ukraine win, this would have already happened back in 2022. Or better yet, back in 2014. As it is, US & EU sanctions seem to be more of a theater mostly for the benefit of the population of those countries, so that their politicians can sincerely say that they "support Ukraine".
tgma 1y ago
The sanctions on the Mullah regime have prevented financing of more proxies. There is a direct correlation between loosening enforcement and lifting such sanctions and increased support for Hezbollah, Hamas, etc. It's preposterous to claim that they do not work.
- aenopix 1y ago
  The US is the one arming terrorist proxies. See Syria with Jolani/Isis/Alqaeda...
- logicchains 1y ago
  >The sanctions on the Mullah regime have prevented financing of more proxies. Less funding of proxies just means Israel gets away with killing more civilians without consequence.
  - tgma 1y ago
    You are therefore agreeing that sanctions works, but you oppose the goals of the US government and wish they did not work.
  - JamesAdir 1y ago
    [flagged]
    - logicchains 1y ago
      Israel is occupying a piece of land it violently seized by force and ethnic cleansing: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba . The people of Palestine have a right to self defense just like anyone else; exercising that right doesn't make them terrorists.
      - flyinglizard 1y ago
        The notion that Israel was created by force is just not true. Jews were always a part of historical Palestine, and most of the land they inhabited was legally bought, by bodies like the JNF, up until the war of 1948. That war, started by the Arabs, came as a result of the League of Nations declaration of the formation of Israel. It's important to stress that there was never a Palestinian country, nor a cohesive Palestinian nation ahead of the formation of Israel. That historical land was controlled by various empires, and people used to come and go through it quite freely.
lenkite 1y ago
Sorry, it is not possible for Cuba to develop any sort of functioning in-house tech with a complete economic embargo. US also "pays" Cuba less than the cost of a NY apartment for its "leased" huge naval base - Guantanamo - the price of which has never changed since the original agreement taken at gun-point.
gilbetron 1y ago
What do you think should be done? War? Nothing? Diplomacy didn't work.

preisschild 1y ago

> Nothing changed This is not true. The sanctions definitely hurt countries like Cuba or Russia. They have a far harder time growing their economy. Cuba is stuck in the last century and often has total blackouts that last for days. Russia needs to beg countries like Iran or North Korea now for imports.

reeredfdfdf 1y ago
Yet the ruling elites and military still enjoy decent quality of life, it´s mostly the ordinary people who suffer. In case of Russia that´s okay since large parts of the population genuinely support the war, but I´m not so sure about Iran and Cuba, where most are not supportive of their governments anyway.
- jazzyjackson 1y ago
  The point isn't necessarily to make leadership suffer, but rather to prevent suffering of everyone who might be threatened by a strong Cuba/Iran/North Korea
  - olelele 1y ago
    In case of Cuba I think the sanctions regime is in part motivated by vindictiveness and in part to make an example for other nations in the americas of what happens when you evade US hegemony..
nlitened 1y ago
Russian economy is booming actually, thanks to continued purchasing of oil and gas by Europe and other parts of the world, and the sanctions that block capital outflow out of the country.
- mschuster91 1y ago
  > Russian economy is booming actually Mostly the military, from what I hear. The rest of the economy is in shambles [1]. No matter what: once the war in Ukraine is over by whatever solution, it's going to get nasty. Either Putin (or, more likely, his successor - the dude is old and it's by far not sure if he will be able to stay in power should the war end up bad for Russia) manages to turn around the economy once again from producing tanks and other instruments of war to a regular economy, or they'll keep it that way... and attack another country with all that firepower. [1] https://kyivindependent.com/amid-dwindling-economy-number-of-russian-businesses-falls-to-lowest-levels-since-2010-foreign-intelligence-says/ https://kyivindependent.com/amid-dwindling-economy-number-of...
  - int_19h 1y ago
    There's a trickle down effect from it, same as with all massive government spending. Those factory workers who now have cushy jobs with large paychecks assembling tanks and cruise missiles then go and spend that money on other things.

trhway 1y ago

If the sanctions weren't effective Russia wouldn't be insisting on the lifting of the sanctions as a part of any Ukrainian deal. The sanctions significantly slow down Russian development and are more and more making it into just a mineral mining satellite of China. With time the weakened Russia would just split, and the large eastern part will go to China. Some midparts, with Turkic speaking population may even fall into Turkey orbit. Without the oil and gas rich East, the European part of Russia will be just a destitute village on the far margins of civilized Europe as it had been for centuries in the past.

jbstack 1y ago
> If the sanctions weren't effective Russia wouldn't be insisting on the lifting of the sanctions as a part of any Ukrainian deal. If the sanctions were effective Russia wouldn't be offering entirely one-sided deals that it knows nobody is going to accept, because it would be desperate enough to get those sanctions lifted that it would actually have to concede something in a deal.
- trhway 1y ago
  Sanctions don't prevent the short-term behavior. Russia thinks that it is winning in Ukraine - thus the one-sided deals, it isn't about the other side accepting it, for Russia it is about Russia forcing such a deal, and it always includes lifting of the sanctions as a key element of a deal that Russia is trying to force because even with traditional lack of long-term vision they understand that the sanctions are crippling the country. They think that winning the war, forcing such a one-sided deal, is the only way to get the sanctions lifted "cleanly", and any deal with concessions, etc. would look less than victorious and would probably have the sanctions lift incomplete/incremental and boggled down with conditions, etc.

wojciii 1y ago

Ukrainian sanctions work. Ask a russian about the price of fuel. The European sanctions are more of a joke. I you want to Ukraine to win donate to them directly instead of waiting for the cowardly politicians to get their act together.

orbital-decay 1y ago
Answering that specific question, 98 jumped up 16% this spring and... that's it. Except for that, it's an ordinary curve compared to, say, 5 years ago. And that's mostly the result of actually bombing the refineries.
- wojciii 1y ago
  I meant sanctions which are bombing russian refineries. So they stories no fuel in Russia are just propaganda?
  - orbital-decay 1y ago
    Oh, makes sense. Depends on the claim - some are, some aren't. The problem obviously exists, but the coverup is good enough to make lots of people think that the war happens on another planet and doesn't affect them (e.g. gasoline export ban).
    - wojciii 1y ago
      "In breaking news, Russia is extending the complete ban on all petrol exports through the rest of 2025 for producers and distributors, and is banning diesel exports for distributors. Fuel shortages have spread to almost all of Russia, with the Ministry of Energy insisting that “all necessary measures are being taken to ensure the timely and uninterrupted supply of all essential fuel.”" This story is getting better and better. The above quite is from Malcontent News.
  - int_19h 1y ago
    That's not sanctions, that's just warfare. And yes, if US and EU were serious about helping Ukraine win, this would have already happened back in 2022. Or better yet, back in 2014. As it is, US & EU sanctions seem to be more of a theater mostly for the benefit of the population of those countries, so that their politicians can sincerely say that they "support Ukraine".

tgma 1y ago

The sanctions on the Mullah regime have prevented financing of more proxies. There is a direct correlation between loosening enforcement and lifting such sanctions and increased support for Hezbollah, Hamas, etc. It's preposterous to claim that they do not work.

aenopix 1y ago
The US is the one arming terrorist proxies. See Syria with Jolani/Isis/Alqaeda...
logicchains 1y ago
>The sanctions on the Mullah regime have prevented financing of more proxies. Less funding of proxies just means Israel gets away with killing more civilians without consequence.
- tgma 1y ago
  You are therefore agreeing that sanctions works, but you oppose the goals of the US government and wish they did not work.
- JamesAdir 1y ago
  [flagged]
  - logicchains 1y ago
    Israel is occupying a piece of land it violently seized by force and ethnic cleansing: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba . The people of Palestine have a right to self defense just like anyone else; exercising that right doesn't make them terrorists.
    - flyinglizard 1y ago
      The notion that Israel was created by force is just not true. Jews were always a part of historical Palestine, and most of the land they inhabited was legally bought, by bodies like the JNF, up until the war of 1948. That war, started by the Arabs, came as a result of the League of Nations declaration of the formation of Israel. It's important to stress that there was never a Palestinian country, nor a cohesive Palestinian nation ahead of the formation of Israel. That historical land was controlled by various empires, and people used to come and go through it quite freely.

lenkite 1y ago

Sorry, it is not possible for Cuba to develop any sort of functioning in-house tech with a complete economic embargo. US also "pays" Cuba less than the cost of a NY apartment for its "leased" huge naval base - Guantanamo - the price of which has never changed since the original agreement taken at gun-point.

gilbetron 1y ago

What do you think should be done? War? Nothing? Diplomacy didn't work.